DuraPine II

[Bill Blue]

The project is getting underway. DanR delivered the replacement shell Monday. We got it mounted on the rotisserie as there are a few issue to be addressed on the bottom side. It appears the first project is to redesign/remount the rack and pinion steering. It appears to be very wrong.

No pics at this time. I became totally frustrated taking, storing and posting pictures. The posting bit was a problem too far. Regardless of where I "dropped" the photo, it would land wherever the computer gods directed it. Usually in the text portion of the post. When that happened the post would be too long and would not load. That problem has been totally eliminated. Photos now load automatically into the correct spot! So maybe time to resume taking pictures. We will see.

Bill

 

[Fergusonic]

Glad to hear the project is on it's forward way and anxious to see the pictures as you go along. If the Grade School kids weren't going back to school one of them could take the pics, shuffle them around in the computer, and magically move them to here!...... they are soooo much more brilliant when it comes to the computers! Oh well. As Ward Bond used to say " Wagons Hoooooo"

 

[DanR]

Here are a few PIC's of Bill's DuraPine after stripping down for the trip to Sunny South Carolina.

Here are a few PIC's of the rolling shell that will make the DuraPine II

 

[Bill Blue]

Okay, some very busy photos. Sorry 'bout that, but that is the best I can o right now. At least I think we can work the system and document the build.

Bill

 

[Bill Blue]

The first photo sneeked in, sort of uninvited. I see no way to trash it. When I click on edit, the photos disappear.

Bill

 

[Aladin Sane]

I see what you mean about the steering rack mount.

I am ok with a little wildlife photography sneaking into the forum.

 

[260Alpine]

Bill, You need the longer MGB steering arms. I like Aladin's setup. The MGB mounts are strong if welded properly, I'd still add gussets like I show in Aladin's thread.

 

[Mike O'D]

That's looking a little squirrely!

 

[Bill Blue]

Bill, You need the longer MGB steering arms. I like Aladin's setup. The MGB mounts are strong if welded properly, I'd still add gussets like I show in Aladin's thread.

Jim, I know nothing about this part of the project. What has to be done to use them?
Bill

 

[Aladin Sane]

fyi, here are the mounts on my project.

I have not dropped the crossmember to weld in any gussets yet.

 

[260Alpine]

Bill, This article explains the MGB steering arms, I like the higher mount of Aladin's rather than notching the crossmember. :

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/PaulickAckerman/pt-PaulickAckerman1.asp

 

[Bill Blue]

Thanks.
Bill

 

[Bill Blue]

Bill, This article explains the MGB steering arms, I like the higher mount of Aladin's rather than notching the crossmember. :

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/PaulickAckerman/pt-PaulickAckerman1.asp

Jim, it appears the MG arms are from a rear steer car and place the tie rod end about 1/2" inboard of the Tiger arm. This raises the question, how much do they help the
Ackerman problem? Can they be cold bent outward?
Bill

 

[260Alpine]

Bill, They are front steer. They are a little longer than the Tiger Arms. Helps ackerman 3 degrees to neutral. They are flipped and swapped to have the tie rod end the same as the Tiger. With the higher mount that Aladin uses you would need the tie rod end pointing down to prevent too much angle and bump steer. You want the tie rod to be parallel with the lower A arm at road height. Looking from the top you want the rack as far back as you can get it.

 

[260Alpine]

You may not have the MGB arms, maybe Alpine swapped to front.

 

[Bill Blue]

View attachment 20611 View attachment 20610 You may not have the MGB arms, maybe Alpine swapped to front.

My arms are dead ringers for the MG arms in article. I had not noticed the spacer, thought it was an integral part of the arm.
Bill

 

[Barry]

My arms are dead ringers for the MG arms in article. I had not noticed the spacer, thought it was an integral part of the arm.
Bill

Bill,

The steering arms on my S-V front suspension are essentially straight with no curved sections like those shown in post #15 and the distance from the hole for the tie-rod joint to the closest mounting hole is about 4-1/2".

The pictures I have show that the factory Tiger steering arms are also essentially straight with no curved sections like those shown in post #15.

If the steering arms on your "new" car are curved like the ones shown in post # 15, I don't think they are S-V or Tiger pieces.

Never say never, but I don't see any way to use reversed Series Alpine steering arms on a front steer setup.

HTH

 

[Bill Blue]

Barry, how were the Alpine steering arm holes measured? Center to center or near edge to near edge?
Bill

 

[Barry]

Barry, how were the Alpine steering arm holes measured? Center to center or near edge to near edge?
Bill

Bill,

Sorry, I should have said center-to-center. The reason I said "about" is that the hole for the tie-rod joint is vertical, the steering arm mounting holes are horizontal and the steering arm is angled relative to the mounting holes.

 

[husky drvr]

out of WSM 124 for Alpines I through IV - doubt that V is different but you would need to check part numbers