I'm restoring a Series 2 and wondered if somebody might know the answer to a question about the front fender badges (or lack of). My car is a very late S2 built in late November of '62 and is a '63 model. From what I can tell S2s didn't come with a badge below the Alpine script, however mine has badges and the three holes in each fender below where the script goes to attach them. Is it possible they started putting badges on cars late in the run or was this a dealer prep item? I ask because I'm fairly confident the fenders are original and the holes seem factory (they seem stamped). I wanted to know as I'm about to paint the car and am not sure whether to get ride of the holes as being imposters or to leave them. As always, thanks for the help. Tom
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Alpine Fender Badge question
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alpine_64
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Tom,
the sheilds bellow the badges started on S3 Alpine, they had "SERIES 3" in the insert with a bibbed background. On the SIV alpines they had "SERIES IV" and also installed a sheildon the vertical boot (trunk) face.. series V the same but used the standard across the rootes range "ROOTES 1725"
The factory never installed them on the series II and there are no sheild badges that would have been suitable for that purpose 9series Ii or 1592/1600 etc.. ).
the sheilds bellow the badges started on S3 Alpine, they had "SERIES 3" in the insert with a bibbed background. On the SIV alpines they had "SERIES IV" and also installed a sheildon the vertical boot (trunk) face.. series V the same but used the standard across the rootes range "ROOTES 1725"
The factory never installed them on the series II and there are no sheild badges that would have been suitable for that purpose 9series Ii or 1592/1600 etc.. ).
alpine_64
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Paul,
While maybe someone might have fitted shields to the car in period.. i think the odds of it been done at the factory are limited. I could go into my late SII a '63 as an example.. later style hood prop (not scuttle mounted etc) and the cross over to the perspex escutcheon heater bezel.. but both those are cover in the parts manual, never seen any documents for the shields on SII's or indeed seen any period pics with them... while you could argue it was "possible" its more likely that if a SII car had them they are something the owner.. maybe dealer fitted.
Factory fitted possible... sure.. probable.. not so sure
While maybe someone might have fitted shields to the car in period.. i think the odds of it been done at the factory are limited. I could go into my late SII a '63 as an example.. later style hood prop (not scuttle mounted etc) and the cross over to the perspex escutcheon heater bezel.. but both those are cover in the parts manual, never seen any documents for the shields on SII's or indeed seen any period pics with them... while you could argue it was "possible" its more likely that if a SII car had them they are something the owner.. maybe dealer fitted.
Factory fitted possible... sure.. probable.. not so sure
Paul N.
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Michael, I think it's unlikely as well - I'm just saying I wouldn't rule it out as we've found one Series II painted from new in a Series III colour. Believe it or not, we've also found a Series IV prototype with 1962 glass!
Have you also considered that the wings might have been replaced after an accident? Tom is confident they haven't but doesn't rule it out.
Have you also considered that the wings might have been replaced after an accident? Tom is confident they haven't but doesn't rule it out.
Paul N.
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By the way, did you know that Rootes weren't the only company to use those shields? I can't find any close-ups but check out the C-posts on these Maltese assembled Austin 1100s.
Having seen them "in the flesh" I can vouch for them being the same chrome surrounds but with Maltese Cross badges in.
Having seen them "in the flesh" I can vouch for them being the same chrome surrounds but with Maltese Cross badges in.
alpine_64
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Paul,
interesting badge... assume you have posted that just as an aside.. lotus used the rootes shield surrounds on the elans and elan +2's.They had badges that proclaimed their world championship wins and indy 500 wins.. you could fit that to an alpine/tiger!
Also there are all the imp range shields.. i have seen a few UK MKII Tigers with "MARK 2" imp shields on them.. not original.. but they are the correct period.. but not factory fitted.
On the SII.. glad you agree the unliekly factory fitting.. the guard replacement would stack up.. but assume they would have had to replace both front guards with S3 ones (assuming the car was to still have original small indicator light holes that would not be present on the later SIV/V guards
interesting badge... assume you have posted that just as an aside.. lotus used the rootes shield surrounds on the elans and elan +2's.They had badges that proclaimed their world championship wins and indy 500 wins.. you could fit that to an alpine/tiger!
Also there are all the imp range shields.. i have seen a few UK MKII Tigers with "MARK 2" imp shields on them.. not original.. but they are the correct period.. but not factory fitted.
On the SII.. glad you agree the unliekly factory fitting.. the guard replacement would stack up.. but assume they would have had to replace both front guards with S3 ones (assuming the car was to still have original small indicator light holes that would not be present on the later SIV/V guards
Chuck Ingram
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Why impossible?
I have done this and if you really want it is pretty easy.Of course there is a bit of planning before just getting the drill and start drilling