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Nickodell

Donation Time
The amnesty bill being debated in Congress is an abomination. It should make your blood boil to see what your "representatives" are planning to do with our country. Send this to everyone you can think of, and get them to send it to as many as they can, etc. Also send it to your congressman and senators and tell them to kill this thing now!

Legal Status Before Enforcement: Amnesty benefits do not wait for the “enforcement trigger.†After filing an application and waiting 24 hours, illegal aliens will receive full “probationary benefits,†complete with the ability to legally live and work in the U.S., travel outside of the U.S. and return, and their own social security card. Astonishingly, if the trigger is never met and amnesty applications are therefore never “approved,†the probationary benefits granted to the illegal alien population never expire, and the new social security cards issued to the illegal alien population are not revoked.

Trigger Requires No More Agents, Beds, or Fencing Than Current Law: The “enforcement trigger†does not require the Department of Homeland Security to have detention space sufficient to end “catch and release†at the border and in the interior. Additionally, the bill establishes a “catch, pay, and release†program. This policy will benefit illegal aliens from countries other than Mexico that are caught at the border, then can post a $5,000 bond, be released and never show up for deportation hearings. The bill only requires 370 miles of fencing to be completed, while current law already mandates that more than 700 miles be constructed

Three Additional Years Worth of Illegal Aliens Granted Status, Treated Preferentially To Legal Filers: Aliens who broke into the country illegally a mere 5 months ago are treated better than foreign nationals who legally applied to come to the U.S. more than two years ago. Aliens who can prove they were illegally in the U.S. on January 1, 2007, are immediately eligible to apply from inside the U.S. for amnesty benefits, while foreign nationals that filed applications to come to the U.S. after May 1, 2005 must start the application process over again from their home countries.

Completion of Background Checks Not Required Legal status must be granted to illegal aliens 24 hours after they file an application, even if the aliens have not yet “passed all appropriate background checks.†(Last year’s bill gave DHS 90 days to check an alien’s background before any status was granted).

Child Molesters Are Still Eligible: Some aggravated felons – those who have sexually abused a minor – are eligible for amnesty. A child molester who committed the crime before the bill is enacted is not barred from getting amnesty.

Terrorism Connections Allowed: Illegal aliens with terrorism connections are not barred from getting amnesty. An illegal alien seeking most immigration benefits must show “good moral character.†Bill drafters ignored the Administration’s request that changes be made in order to prevent aliens with terrorist connections from receiving relief.

Gang Members Are Eligible: Instead of deporting members of violent gangs such as MS 13, the bill will allow them to get amnesty as long as they “renounce†their gang membership on their application. And you know what happens if you lie - you get a spot on your tongue.

Absconders Are Eligible: Aliens who have already been ordered deported, but disappeared, are eligible for amnesty under the bill. The same is true for aliens who have made a false claim to citizenship or engaged in document fraud. More than 636,000 alien fugitives could be covered by this loophole.

Learning English Not Required For A Decade: Illegal aliens are not required to demonstrate any proficiency in English for more than a decade after they are granted amnesty. And then it only requires that the alien demonstrate an “attempt†to learn English by being “on a waiting list for English classes.†Passing a basic English test is required only 12 years down the road.

Earned Income Tax Credit Will Cost Taxpayers Billions In Just 10 Years: Current illegal aliens and new guest workers will be eligible for the Earned Income Tax Credit, a refundable tax credit designed to encourage American citizens and legal permanent residents to work. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that this loophole will cost the U.S. taxpayer up to $20 billion dollars in just the first 10 years after the bill’s enactment.

Affidavits From Friends Accepted As Evidence: Records from day-labor centers, labor unions, and “sworn declarations†from any non-relative (friends, coworkers, etc) are to be accepted as evidence that the illegal alien has satisfied the bill’s amnesty requirements. This will invite fraud and more illegal immigration. In 1986, one third of all illegal aliens applying for amnesty presented fraudulant documents. DHS will not have the resources to examine whether the claims contained in the “sworn declarations†of the alien’s friends are actually valid.

Taxpayer Funded Legal Counsel and Arbitration: Free legal counsel and the fees and expenses of arbitrators will be provided to aliens that have been working illegally in agriculture. The U.S. taxpayer will fund the attorneys that help these individuals fill out their amnesty applications.

In-State Tuition and Student Loans: In-state tuition and other higher education benefits will be made available to current illegal aliens that are granted initial “probationary†status, even if the same in-state tuition rates are not offered to all U.S. citizens. This would normally violate current law (8 U.S.C. §1623) which mandates that educational institutions give citizens the same postsecondary education benefits they offer to illegal aliens.

Inadequacy of the Merit System: The “merit system,†designed to shift the U.S. green card distribution system to attract higher skilled workers that benefit the national interest, is a sham. Though the merit system begins immediately, it will not increase the percentage of high skilled immigrants coming to the United States until 2016, 8 years after enactment. Even after 2015, when the merit system really begins (in 2016) by having 380,000 green cards annually, 100,000 green cards will be reserved specifically for low skilled workers, and points will be given for many characteristics that are not considered “high-skilled.†For example, 16 points will be given for aliens in “high demand occupations†which includes janitors, maids, food preparation workers, and groundskeepers.

Visas For Individuals That Plan To Overstay: The new “parent†visa contained in the bill which allows parents of citizens, and the spouses and children of new temporary workers, to visit a worker in the United States is an invitation for high rates of visa overstays. This new visa allows the spouse and children of new temporary workers who intend to abandon their residence in a foreign country, to qualify to come to the U.S. to “visit.†The visa requires only a $1,000 bond, which will be forfeited when, not if, family members of new temporary workers decide to overstay their 30 day visit. Workers should travel to their home countries to visit their families, not the other way around.

Chain Migration Tripled Before Being Eliminated: Though the bill will eventually eliminate chain migration (relatives other than spouses and children, i.e. aunts, parents, cousins etc.), it will not have full effect until 2016. Until then, chain migration into the U.S. will actually triple, from approximately 138,000 a year (equal to 14% of the 1 million green cards the U.S. currently distributes on an annual basis) to approximately 440,000 chain migrants a year (equal to 45% of the 1 million green cards the U.S. currently distributes on an annual basis). This alone could result in another 4 million immigrants.

Back Taxes Not Required: Last year’s bill required illegal aliens to prove they had paid three of their last five years of taxes to get amnesty. This year, payment of back taxes is not required for amnesty. Since the bill does not require any past years of employment as a prerequisite for amnesty, the amendment essentially only requires proof of payment of taxes for future work in the U.S., not payment of “back taxes.â€

Social Security Credits Allowed For Some Illegal Work Histories: Aliens who came to the U.S. on legal visas, but overstayed their visas and have been working in the U.S. for years, as well as illegal aliens who apply for Z visa status but do not qualify, will be able to collect social security credits for the years they worked illegally. Because the bill requires social security account numbers to be issued “promptly†to illegal aliens as soon as they are granted “any probationary benefits based upon application [for Z status]†(these benefits are granted 24 hours after the application is filed), an illegal alien who is denied Z visa status but continues to work illegally in the U.S. will accumulate Social Security credits.

You can just yawn, or say "someone else should do something." Or you can act before it's too late, and the cowardly, self-serving poltroons in Washington sell your country for the Hispanic vote.
 

Green67Alpine

Former SAOCA Membership Director
Platinum Level Sponsor
I was born here ...how many of these benefits can get??
I promise I'll learn a foreign language.
 

skywords

Donation Time
Just sent letters to my representitives Nick.


I am due to travel to Mexico very soon to rescue an airplane that will probably take two months. I wonder if they will give me free medical care, food stamps and welfare bennies? If they don't I will go to their capital and wave the US flag and stomp my feet. And do you suppose they will teach my children in English for the first ten years?

Nick here's what you do. Stop buying gasoline and hire illegals to push your car they are plentiful. Pay them in Pasos so they have to go home to spend them.
 

skywords

Donation Time
I'm thinking the next agenda will be to allow illegal aliens the right to vote. :mad:


I am thinking that's what my representitive is counting on, he is Rahul Grijalva

Please don't miss understand me I really like the Mexican people but what's good for the goose is good for the gander. My solution is instead of having 126 billion in Chinese rubber dog shiit imported we can have it made in Mexico and everyone wins. These poor Mexicans really don't want to come here most leave their families behind so if they can make a living at home they would rather stay there. Gods honest Truth! Again our representitives have catered to the greed of large corporate America and let them set up in China instead of Mexico where the workers make seven dollars a day unlike China that is seven dollars a week. It is corporate greed. God' honest Truth! I have written letters till my fingers hurt. I even ask Kolbe at a town meeting why a nation that is comunist and has missiles pointed at us has most favored status. I said Mexico is a democracy, they like us, they are close, they don't have missiles pointed at us and they don't hold our service men hostage when they have a emergency landing. I got the double talk about how warm and fuzzy I should feel about us improving human rights in China.
 

Series6

Past President
Gold Level Sponsor
This drives me nuts

My Grand Parents came in thru Ellis Island legally. There was a war going on at the time and they came here for a better life.

My Step Father came in legally. He came here to study medicine with the intent of going back to serve a small village in Northern Greece. Ended up as Chief of Pediatrics at UCLA. At his retirement banquet (on the Queen Mary-the same ship he came over on) he thanked our family, the Good Lord but above all, he thanked this country which he credited for giving him the oportunity. With tears in his eyes, he closed his speech with "God Bless America".

I have friends in Germany who have tried to come in but can only get visitors visas.

I have friends in South Africa who gave up trying.

I understand why people want to come here. I resent people feeling they have the right to circumvent the process.

I don't understand why we have to be more flexible than the countries those people are trying to leave. You know darn well what would happen if we tried to circumvent their immigration laws.

I'm proud to be a 2nd Generation American. My family did it right and I'm glad they did.

Anyone want to offer a counterpoint? I'd be glad to listen.
 

Nickodell

Donation Time
If you send this to ten people and in a week they have sent it to ten each, etc., in 7 weeks it will have reached one hundred million people, half the voting population of the USA.

Make a start on Independence Day!

Or you can just ignore it.

By the way, Rick, illegals are already voting. In all but a couple of states, attempts to have people show proof of citizenship before voting have been greeted by howls of protest from the ACLU and similar liberal bedwetters, and defeated by Democrat politicians, for whom illegal (and new legal) immigrants vote overwhelmingly.

Have you ever wondered why notices in the papers of upcoming local, state and congressional/presidential elections are duplicated in Spanish? When to vote legally you have to be a citizen. And to be naturalized you have to "show an understanding of written and spoken English words in common use" (election law). So why are they written in a foreign language? And if in Spanish, why not also in Urdu, Finnish, Hindi, Tagalog, German and Irish Gaelic, or the other 130 native tongues of immigrants to the country? Could it be that the overwhelming majority of newspapers are left-leaning and desperately want a Dem president and large Dem majority in Congress?

What truly amazes me is not that looney left-wing nuts like Ted "The Swimmer" Kennedy, Dingy Harry Reid and Nancy "Too Many Facelifts" Pelosi are pushing this bill; after all if it passes, in a few years there will be another 30 million or so Democrat voters; no, what makes me gasp is that most Republicans politicians are also for it, and in doing so will essentially eliminate their own party for the rest of the century, or turn it into a minor irrelevancy like the Greens. I guess the current ones are so anxious to get a share of the present Hispanic votes that they don't give a damn what happens after they retire on their $150,000 a year and free health care for life. Screw the next lot of GOP pols, I got mine.
 

skywords

Donation Time
It is amazing Nick. I am a registered independant. I just want whats logical and best for our country. I see good and bad from both parties. When it all boils down we are just grains of sand on a beach. Our civic duty is to vote pay taxes and push our reps for whats right. Our influence on them is equivilant to a mouse fart as individuals but get enough numbers and they listen, getting the numbers to listen is the trick. This world is changing so fast it scarey and certanly not always for the better. It is my kids I fear for. They will have it twice as hard as we did. I need to teach them to adapt and prevail within what ever this country turns into. I supose I'd better make sure they can speak Spanish and Chinese.

Oh and I think the reason the Republicans are all for the amnesty for illegals is Cheap Labor. I see a real seperation of classes accurring the middle class are back sliding and the wealthy are picking up steam. Condoleezza Rice has a sister that talks alot about the seperation of classes and is involved in an org. that is active in bringing up the poorer class and is funded by many wealthy business people that realise that elevating the poor is good for everyone including themselves. The micro loans that are growing in numbers around the world enjoy a low default rate that is better than most all the big banks have been able to achive loaning money to wealthy people. Logic says when the poor profit so do the rich.
 

Jeff Scoville

Donation Time
I have a co-worker, Canadian, who has lived and worked here for over 10 years.
He is leaving the company to another job and has been jumping through hoops for the last 6 months to do everything legaly.
We even had to place an add in the Chicago Tribune @ $1200.00 for one week offering his new job to a US citizen first.
Yesterday I told him he should go south and get his Mexican citizenship, then come back and he'd be golden in a matter of hours!
What a bunch of crap!
I STILL believe in the principal of open arms, what I find just pathetic is that the Mexican population seems to have more rights and benefits than I do.
When I was hit in my Harley and off work for 2.5 yrs I applied for SS disability, denied. As I sat through countless hours filling out countless forms I watched countless Mexicans recieving thier checks. It just made me want to go postal.
I even sent a letter to the White House noting my disapointment and ended letter with "it's no wonder people in this country resort to blowing up buildings just to be heard", I still got no response!
Don't get me wrong, the Mexican people are NOT to blame for any of this, we're the idiots letting it happen!
 

Jim E

Donation Time
We are the idiots... it is all about cheap goods and services... must like the evil Walmart.
 

Green67Alpine

Former SAOCA Membership Director
Platinum Level Sponsor
And now the Asians are building factorys in Mexico to save on shipping.
There has to be a better way!

Good Grief, What's the deal, the further away you get from the market place the smarter you become ? :mad:
I suppose we don't need to ship our scrap half way around the world anymore, we can just keep sending the money there.
No American business can make it in Mexico .... too few workers...:)
 

skywords

Donation Time
And now the Asians are building factorys in Mexico to save on shipping.
There has to be a better way!

And America is soon going to be flooded with Cheap made in China cars. They haven't distroyed our auto industry yet. The final frontier:mad: Last one out of the States please turn the lights out.

As far as I'm concerned we need to fire all of our representitives and get some with some hair on their butts. Hows that movie line go? Were Mad as Hell and were not going to take it anymore! I see the Mayor of NYC is going for a run at the White House, when I heard he was a billionaire I figured he has some hidden adgenda to get done once in place. What huge company does he own that needs a sweetheart contract?

Venting (Thanks) I feel better Haaaaaaa.
 

Nickodell

Donation Time
I have a co-worker, Canadian, who has lived and worked here for over 10 years.
He is leaving the company to another job and has been jumping through hoops for the last 6 months to do everything legaly.
We even had to place an add in the Chicago Tribune @ $1200.00 for one week offering his new job to a US citizen first.
Yesterday I told him he should go south and get his Mexican citizenship, then come back and he'd be golden in a matter of hours!
What a bunch of crap!
I STILL believe in the principal of open arms, what I find just pathetic is that the Mexican population seems to have more rights and benefits than I do.

Jeff: back in 1967 I was working for Wyeth Pharmaceuticals in the UK, and they wanted me to go to the States for an 8-year job in their HQ in Radnor, Pa. They and I worked for the next 20 months, filling out endless streams of government forms (e.g. list every relative, their addresses. List every address you have lived at since birth, every company you have worked for [from and to dates], every political party you have ever belonged to or contributed to, every criminal or civil offence you have been accused of, whether convicted or not, however minor, every country you have visited, with dates, and why and whom did you meet there) and on and on. Every form submitted brought another bunch of forms.

Meanwhile, here in the states, Wyeth was filing an equivalent blizzard of paper, and they, too had to prove that "no able, qualified and willing US citizen is available to fill the position." In the end, my manager-to-be contacted the office of his home-town congressman, John McCormack who, at that time, was Speaker of the House, and suddenly everything was OK'd and we got our visas. Other than that, the wait would have been indefinite.

Stange as it may seem, I'm not particularly upset at the process. I just wish that every immigrant had to go through the same vetting. Then we might be a tad safer!
 

husky drvr

Platinum Level Sponsor
I see the Mayor of NYC is going for a run at the White House, when I heard he was a billionaire I figured he has some hidden agenda to get done once in place.

Rick,

One of Bloomberg's main agendas is to eliminate the Second Amendment or at least hamstring it so badly that it is meaningless.

He is a billionaire and knows what is best for the country and you as an individual. :eek:

When the Second Amendment was drafted this country did not really have an army, NO national guard, and very limited law enforcement. Every able bodied person was expected to contribute to and share in the protection of his community, his family and himself. That would include possible protection from a totalitarian government, either domestic or foreign. That is the purpose of the Second Amendment, to allow a responsible individual to have and retain the tools needed to contribute to and participate in the protection of his way of life and lifestyle.

Food for thought >

Some may argue that the local police force is there to protect them as an individual but that is wrong. The existence of any police force is the protection of the state and the states assets, not any individual.

Ever had to call the police because a small disturbance looked about to escalate rapidly into an very ugly situation? I have and the response time was over 45 minutes because "We were busy" ( directing traffic after a concert ).

If someone had gotten hurt during this standoff-showdown, the police would be totally blameless ( one normally cannot sue the state or its agents for redress of a wrong because they can not protect an individual ).

Rant mode off.
 

skywords

Donation Time
Ever had to call the police because a small disturbance looked about to escalate rapidly into an very ugly situation? I have and the response time was over 45 minutes because "We were busy" ( directing traffic after a concert ).

I read a story that is suposedly true. A man was awakened in the middle of the night by some theives breaking into his tool shed. He picked up the phone and called 911, the 911 operator asked if they were in the house and he responded "no". Then she said she would send the police but it would be about 20 minutes for they are busy with other calls. After he hung up he thought for a minute and redialed 911 at which time he said remember me I just called about the burgulars in my shed? He said don't bother with the police I have shot them then hung up. The police arrived within two minutes and caught the theives. The police officer said to the home owner " I thought you said you shot them?" He replied " I thought you said you were busy"
 

Nickodell

Donation Time
Reminds me of one of my favorite jokes:

A guy on a hunting trip calls 911 from his cell phone and says "My buddy just keeled over and I think he's had a heart attack. I think he's dead."

911 Operator: "Go back and make sure he's dead, OK?"

Sound of a shot.

Man: "OK, he's dead. Now what?"
 

Bill Blue

Platinum Level Sponsor
Don, 'way out here in the wilderness, I've not paid a whole lot of attention to Bloomberg, just know that he is somewhat quirky and a gazillionaire. Did hear one thing about him that I like: He has accepted zero dollars from anyone! Ever! And if he runs, probably would not accept any.

Wouldn't that be nice, a Prez that owes no favors to anyone but the people that elected him?

Bill
 

husky drvr

Platinum Level Sponsor
Don, 'way out here in the wilderness, I've not paid a whole lot of attention to Bloomberg, just know that he is somewhat quirky and a gazillionaire. Did hear one thing about him that I like: He has accepted zero dollars from anyone! Ever! And if he runs, probably would not accept any.

Wouldn't that be nice, a Prez that owes no favors to anyone but the people that elected him?

Bill


Bill,

Are you saying that because he "owes no favors", then he will not hand favors out liberally because they agree with his "quirky" political agenda? Also when last I checked, most business leaders do not feel they are obligated to serve the will of the people. The business leader is in charge of making all the underlings do as the business leader sees as fitting the leaders goals (serf as opposed to citizen ). I do not want to see anyone elected to be President that feels that they know what is best for me and is not going to listen to my input.
My personal litmus test on a candidate is his attitude about the Second Amendment. Eliminating the right to own weapons only makes the people eliminating that right safer because they will still be protected by armed security forces. It is certainly obvious that elimination does not help the average person to become safer, just check the violent crime rates in merry old U.K. and Australia since private gun ownership was all but eliminated.
 
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