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wanted bellhousing
- Thread starter voner44
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Hi Tom,
There are only two differences between the two versions, and neither can be seen from the outside. The late block (Ranger/Bronco II) have a larger diameter cam and it uses a flanged thrust bearing rather than thrust washers.
The Ranger/Bronco II is the correct pan for this version, but don´t forget the different oil pump pick up for that pan and the Ranger dip stick. You´ll need the oil filter adapter from the Ranger as well.
If you want to use the pilot bearing adapter from Kelly´s, you´ll need to have the Ranger flywheel center web turned down to the thickness of the Mustang II flywheel, so that the adapter doesn´t stick out too far. You want to use the throw out bearing for the Mustang II, as the Ranger has a different type.
If you have any more questions that aren´t answered on the web spot, just drop me an email and I will answer them all.
Jose
p.s. The block plates and front timing covers are interchangeable too.
There are only two differences between the two versions, and neither can be seen from the outside. The late block (Ranger/Bronco II) have a larger diameter cam and it uses a flanged thrust bearing rather than thrust washers.
The Ranger/Bronco II is the correct pan for this version, but don´t forget the different oil pump pick up for that pan and the Ranger dip stick. You´ll need the oil filter adapter from the Ranger as well.
If you want to use the pilot bearing adapter from Kelly´s, you´ll need to have the Ranger flywheel center web turned down to the thickness of the Mustang II flywheel, so that the adapter doesn´t stick out too far. You want to use the throw out bearing for the Mustang II, as the Ranger has a different type.
If you have any more questions that aren´t answered on the web spot, just drop me an email and I will answer them all.
Jose
p.s. The block plates and front timing covers are interchangeable too.
gordonra
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Hi Tom,
It sounds much more complicated than it really is, but there are different paths to take depending on the components you may already have.
You need to decide if you'll use a Mustang II flywheel or a Ranger/Bronco II flywheel, and if you will use a long or short input shaft T5 transmission.
Mustang Flywheel:
Mustang II Clutch disk.
Mustang II Starter
Mustang II Pressure plate.
Jeff Kelly's Pilot Bearing adapter (Requires short input shaft transmission)
Ranger/Bronco II Flywheel:
Custom clutch disk (Ranger disk with Ford T5 spline)
Ranger/Bronco II Starter
Ranger/Bronco II Pressure plate
Hub must be machined to use Jeff Kelly's Pilot bearing adapter (Requires short input shaft transmission)
or
Use a custom press in pilot bearing adapter (Requires long shaft (-238) T5 transmission)
In any case you will also need the following Ranger/Bronco II parts:
Oil pan
Pick up sump tube
Oil filter adapter
It sounds much more complicated than it really is, but there are different paths to take depending on the components you may already have.
You need to decide if you'll use a Mustang II flywheel or a Ranger/Bronco II flywheel, and if you will use a long or short input shaft T5 transmission.
Mustang Flywheel:
Mustang II Clutch disk.
Mustang II Starter
Mustang II Pressure plate.
Jeff Kelly's Pilot Bearing adapter (Requires short input shaft transmission)
Ranger/Bronco II Flywheel:
Custom clutch disk (Ranger disk with Ford T5 spline)
Ranger/Bronco II Starter
Ranger/Bronco II Pressure plate
Hub must be machined to use Jeff Kelly's Pilot bearing adapter (Requires short input shaft transmission)
or
Use a custom press in pilot bearing adapter (Requires long shaft (-238) T5 transmission)
In any case you will also need the following Ranger/Bronco II parts:
Oil pan
Pick up sump tube
Oil filter adapter
gordonra
Donation Time
It might be a good idea if Jose verified my statements from my previous post, but pretty sure it's correct.
It takes parts from both the Mustang II and the Ranger to complete the conversion.
The Ranger/Bronco II engine is fine, but you will need the timing cover, water pump, and water pump pulley from the Mustang II motor. The rest of the Ranger Bronco II parts will work fine.
Rich
Hi Tom,
You are correct, except for the years the 2.8 V6 was available. The late 2.8 V6 was built from 1983-1985; After that, Ford went to the 2.9 V6.
Jose
You are correct, except for the years the 2.8 V6 was available. The late 2.8 V6 was built from 1983-1985; After that, Ford went to the 2.9 V6.
Jose
Hi Tom,
I prefer using the Mutt II flywheel, clutch and pressure plate, since it is a larger diameter unit, which gives more more clutch grip. If you absolutely can´t source a Mutt II clutch pack, then the Ranger unit will work.
The drawbacks of using the Ranger clutch pack, are not only a smaller diameter clutch disc, but you´ll need a custom clutch disk, which may be harder to source later, as parts get scarcer.
Jose
p.s. Use a stock Mutt II throw out bearing.
I prefer using the Mutt II flywheel, clutch and pressure plate, since it is a larger diameter unit, which gives more more clutch grip. If you absolutely can´t source a Mutt II clutch pack, then the Ranger unit will work.
The drawbacks of using the Ranger clutch pack, are not only a smaller diameter clutch disc, but you´ll need a custom clutch disk, which may be harder to source later, as parts get scarcer.
Jose
p.s. Use a stock Mutt II throw out bearing.
Not to add any confusion to the mix, but my understanding is that the pilot bearing adaptor is not needed with the T-5 transmission from the later 6 cylinder Mustang. You just have to have that transmission's input shaft turned down to fit the stock Mustang II pilot bearing. Correct? I certainly hope so, because that is what I did with mine.
gordonra
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That's correct Jim, but we've found that its a good idea to add a bushing in the flywheel similar to one that is found stock in some of the Ranger flywheels. The bushing helps support the pilot bearing.
It was suggested at one time to only press the bearing part way into the crankshaft, but we had a bearing work out because it wasn't supported the full length of the bearing. The bushing supports the bearing so this doesn't happen.
Refer to the T5 Pilot Bearing adapter mentioned here:
http://v6alpine.blogspot.com/p/v6-joses-conversion-kit-kit-components.html
It was suggested at one time to only press the bearing part way into the crankshaft, but we had a bearing work out because it wasn't supported the full length of the bearing. The bushing supports the bearing so this doesn't happen.
Refer to the T5 Pilot Bearing adapter mentioned here:
http://v6alpine.blogspot.com/p/v6-joses-conversion-kit-kit-components.html
hello i'm using 86 to 93 t5 trans (shorter tail shaft) with mustang 11 fly wheel what pilot bearing adaptor is the correct one and where do I get it? i'm under the understanding I won't have to turn down tail shaft with this combo only modification I need to do is to size bearing retainer to bellhousing opening right? I guess i'll figure this out when assembling but would like to get right parts beforehand thanks..tom voner
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gordonra
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Hi Tom,
I believe you mean that you have the short INPUT shaft, not tail shaft?
If this is correct, then you need Jeff Kelly's pilot bearing adapter. You can contact Jeff Kelly here:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Kelley-Precision-Products/175059625855144
Ask for Jose's Pilot Bearing adapter.
Regarding the pilot bearing itself, you should order the bearing for the 74-78 2.8L Mustang II with the 4 speed Manual. (Kragen/O'Reilly # F33126)
The transmission bearing retainer does need to be turned to fit the bell housing opening.
There should be a tag with a version number on your T5 under one of the tail shaft housing bolts. If that tag is still present, it will identify what the transmission really is. Can you identify the tag number?