Ground zero mosque - a British opinion

[Nickodell]

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/p...sible-to-be-astonished-but-not-surprised.html

 

[phatt]

1. Let them build it.
2. Fill it with Muslims.
3. Blow it up.

By the way, how can they build it without an American construction company?
Are we so in search of the dollar that an American company would agree to do this? How about the bureau that grants permits? What should we do with them? Paul

 

[MikeH]

It's not a "few Yards" from ground zero.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matt-sledge/just-how-far-is-the-groun_b_660585.html

 

[Nickodell]

Oh fer Pete's sake! It's TWO BLOODY BLOCKS FROM GROUND ZERO. THE SHADOWS OF THE TWO TOWERS WOULD HAVE FALLEN ON THE SITE AT MIDDAY. It shouldn't be built within a Texas mile of GZ.

Good old unbiased Huffington Post. Might have assumed they would be in favor of it.

 

[John W]

Thousands of people dead, billions in property damage, two wars, government privacy invasion, TSA, trillions in debt, everything, all of it, every bit of it, is the fault of the aviation industry's lack of one simple rule, lock the damn cockpit door before takeoff.

 

[MikeH]

I'm not saying I agree with it, but there is nothing to legally restrict it. Heck, "Barry" will probably speak at buildings dedication, as long as it doesn't interfere with his appearance on Oprah or The Price is Right.

 

[Nickodell]

Thousands of people dead, billions in property damage, two wars, government privacy invasion, TSA, trillions in debt, everything, all of it, every bit of it, is the fault of the aviation industry's lack of one simple rule, lock the damn cockpit door before takeoff.

Unfortunately, that wouldn't have made a jot of difference. As little as 2oz of Semtex, or other plastic explosive, so small that you could carry it in something as little as a corona cigar tube, would have busted those doors in, locked or not. They were very lightly constructed, as all "non-critical" (then) parts of an aircraft are.

IIRC, the brave souls who remained on their cell phones or the seat-back phones to the very end on the doomed airliner that crashed into the field in Shanksville, PA., said that Todd Beamer ("let's roll!") and the other gallant Americans, had managed to break the cockpit door down with a food trolley.

Today, they are all armored and multiple-locked.

It's easy to be wise after the event. It was the weakening of the transverse floor beams (despite Rosie O'Donnell's assertion that "fire cannot melt steel" [stupid cow]) that actually led to the WTC collapses, not the damage to the exterior skeleton. The designers should have encased the steel floor beams in a fire-proof material that wouldn't be blown away by the blast of a fuel-loaded jumbo jet hitting them at 600mph.

Why would they have thought to do so? The only previous experience with a plane larger than a light GA plane hitting a skyscraper was the B-25 that hit the Empire State Building just after WWII. Unlike the WTC, the ESB is mainly of massive masonry construction, and the B-25 weighed less than one of the B767's wings. One of the engines plunged down an elevator shaft, and there was a fire, and but it was easily contained to the floor where the plane hit and never posed a threat to the building.

 

[MikeH]

Interesting.

The Two Faces of the Ground Zero Mosque
by Raymond Ibrahim


http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/ibrahim072710.html

 

[John W]

Geez Nick. "It's easy to be wise after the event." ??? Wise after the event would have been for Bush's son, who was president at the time, to walk out on the white house lawn on Sept 12, 2001 and order all planes to have plated multiple lock doors. Or how about coming up with a plan to drive those cave dwellers that hold press conferences with flies out of the hills of Afganistan. Here's a Chinese plan that involves Iraq. http://www.pickensplan.com/boonecam/2010/07/29/we-cant-afford-this/ Three more servicemen lost their lives today in Afganistan and Chelsea is getting married and Obama was a hit on The View. We need a plan and we really need the draft again.

 

[wipeout]

Jeez John, " Wise after the event would have been for Bush's son, who was president at the time," maybe Hillary's husband, who was president before the son, should have killed that mofo when he had the chance, thus delaying or preventing said catastrophe.

How far do you want to take this one?

Thousands of people dead, billions in property damage, two wars, government privacy invasion, TSA, trillions in debt, everything, all of it, every bit of it, is the fault of the aviation industry's lack of one simple rule, lock the damn cockpit door before takeoff.

You're lucky Nick quoted Homer as a come back here and didn't rip apart this insanely simplistic and moronic comment.

Yes, Nick, even a fool is wise after the event and some are even predisposed to pander to their own versions of recent history.

 

[John W]

I totallly agree with you about what Hillary's husband should have done. Too bad he didn't have a Monica situation to respond to at that particular time. As far as Bush's son, we'd be better off if he'd of made a plane door change order on the White House lawn and went back inside and watched a little TV and drank a glass of sweet iced tea. T Boone says the Chinese are developing the Iraqi oil fields. I read an article recently about suicides in the service and they interviewed one of our soldiers in Afganistan and his frustration came out when he said "We should just drop a bomb on this place and be done with it." At this point, I tend to agree.

 

[John W]

As far as quoting Homer, I don't watch TV on a regular basis, and never those goofy cartoons.

 

[wipeout]

LOL....good one...Homer - TV ...

It is part of the general pattern of misguided policy that our country is now geared to an arms economy which was bred in an artificially induced psychosis of war hysteria and nurtured upon an incessant propaganda of fear. General McArthur

From here on out...we either do what our armies are designed to do, destroy things and kill the enemy, or we bring them home. But you and I don't run the country any more do we?

I agree on this point. We unleash the Dogs of War or we bring them home and prepare them for the next battle.

 

[Nickodell]

The guy most responsible for 9/11?

The second most corrupt and disastrous president in living memory who, when the World Trade Center was bombed did nothing (other than to caution against "over-reacting.") Didn't visit the site. Refused to talk to the head of the CIA (those dirty spies. Ugh! Worse even than the military that he said he "abhorred.")

When the Khobar Towers were bombed - did nothing. When the Cole was bombed - did nothing. When our embassies in Kenya and Tanzanir were bombed - did nothing (ok, that's not quite fair. He did lob some multimillion-dollar cruise missiles into some empty tents and an aspirin factory, at the time Monica Lewinski was giving evidence - what a coincidence!)

He was the man who did nothing while al-Qaeda set up training camps in Afghanistan, where thousands of terrorists were trained and sent out into the world, including the 9/11 hijackers. Whose Attorney General - undoubtedly the worst and most corrupt in history - prevented the FBI and CIA from talking to each other, so that mounting evidence of sleeper cells of Muslim terrorists, including those learning to fly (but not land or takeoff) jumbo jets, in this country could not be linked.

Anyone else would have been jailed for perjury and obstruction of justice in his trial for sexual harrassment, but instead he was allowed, like Nixon, to walk free as a bird and pose as an obscene parody of an elder statesman, collecting multi-million dollar book and speaking fees. Now we watch this disbarred ex-lawyer do the "ugly American," spending some of those millions on his daughter's wedding ($2,500 cake, $500,000 for flowers, etc.).