Cigar or Cigarette Lighter

[Jay Laifman]

I just notice on an XKE that it labels the lighter as "Cigar." I seem to recall that's what the Alpine once was called. Yet I always called them cigarette lighters growing up. Is that an England/US thing? Or were cigars considered fancier or more masculine at the time?

 

[puff4]

Yep, it was just a fancy way of selling the product.

 

[hartmandm]

They could have been made much smaller if all they needed to do was light a cigarette.

Mike

 

[puff4]

Of course, the Sunbeam cigar lighter is now both rare and horribly expensive, partly because it is also used in the Tiger and Jaguar XKE. As such, some of you may recall that I created plans and CAD files for folks to make their own lighter knob and escutcheon - these can be adapted to a modern (read: inexpensive) lighter to make a reasonably good reproduction. The knob can be easily 3D printed and the escutcheon can be turned in stainless and polished to look like chrome (or even 3D printed in plastic and sprayed with chrome paint).

 

[alpine_64]

Of course, the Sunbeam cigar lighter is now both rare and horribly expensive, partly because it is also used in the Tiger and Jaguar XKE.

And all mk2 , mkX and S type jags... And lamborghini miura and early fiat 850

 

[Warren]

Ok sorry for the topic drift.
Who can scan parts?
Totally awesome the drawings that are posted.
Also seen the knob on 70 to 73 Jensen cars the roadster and the Interceptor.

 

[puff4]

Ok sorry for the topic drift.
Who can scan parts?
Totally awesome the drawings that are posted.
Also seen the knob on 70 to 73 Jensen cars the roadster and the Interceptor.

I didn't scan the parts, Warren... I measured them with a set of calipers and then created accurately measured CAD drawing of the items.

As for the comment on the drawings - thanks!

 

[Collimator62]

Of course, the Sunbeam cigar lighter is now both rare and horribly expensive, partly because it is also used in the Tiger and Jaguar XKE. As such, some of you may recall that I created plans and CAD files for folks to make their own lighter knob and escutcheon - these can be adapted to a modern (read: inexpensive) lighter to make a reasonably good reproduction. The knob can be easily 3D printed and the escutcheon can be turned in stainless and polished to look like chrome (or even 3D printed in plastic and sprayed with chrome paint).

Hey Kevin- do you have the STLs or OBJs for these? I'd like to 3D print them using Shapeways and report back how they come out. Otherwise, I'll make the 3D objects from your ref drawings (they are really great, btw) and upload them here if that's alright / 3D print them anyways.

Thanks for making the drawings!

 

[puff4]

Hey Kevin- do you have the STLs or OBJs for these? I'd like to 3D print them using Shapeways and report back how they come out. Otherwise, I'll make the 3D objects from your ref drawings (they are really great, btw) and upload them here if that's alright / 3D print them anyways.

Thanks for making the drawings!

Yes, I have all the files.

Obviously I can't prevent others making money off what I do for the club, but I do kindly ask that the items I CAD not be used for personal gain.

I design and CAD these items expressly for the SAOCA members. As such, I'm happy with:
- folks making them for themselves or to give to club members
- folks making and distributing them to club members 'at cost'... i.e. recovery of manufacturing costs only
- folks making them to sell to members and others, but with all profits going to the SAOCA exclusively

If you're willing to agree to that, then I'm quite happy to send them along.

 

[Collimator62]

Yes, I have all the files.

Obviously I can't prevent others making money off what I do for the club, but I do kindly ask that the items I CAD not be used for personal gain.

I design and CAD these items expressly for the SAOCA members. As such, I'm happy with:
- folks making them for themselves or to give to club members
- folks making and distributing them to club members 'at cost'... i.e. recovery of manufacturing costs only
- folks making them to sell to members and others, but with all profits going to the SAOCA exclusively

If you're willing to agree to that, then I'm quite happy to send them along.

Hey Kevin,

Yeah! I wasn't even thinking of that - I am in the process of printing (for myself) the 3D scans of the door finishers from mhartman.net for my own Alpine II - but it may be a good idea to have a Shapeways shop (only charging for material cost, no fee on top) for others that are less CAD / internet minded. I'd be happy to give you / whomever in the SAOCA access to the shop just to keep me honest.

I was going to do some CADing of my own for some SII parts and 3D print them but sharing keeps groups like this alive, I think. If that's a sufficient yes answer, let me know.

- Thomas

 

[puff4]

Hey Kevin,

Yeah! I wasn't even thinking of that - I am in the process of printing (for myself) the 3D scans of the door finishers from mhartman.net for my own Alpine II - but it may be a good idea to have a Shapeways shop (only charging for material cost, no fee on top) for others that are less CAD / internet minded. I'd be happy to give you / whomever in the SAOCA access to the shop just to keep me honest.

I was going to do some CADing of my own for some SII parts and 3D print them but sharing keeps groups like this alive, I think. If that's a sufficient yes answer, let me know.

- Thomas

Excellent. PM me and I'll make the files available to you.

Cheers.

 

[Collimator62]

Excellent. PM me and I'll make the files available to you.

Cheers.

Just as an update, the prints came back from Shapeways- i had to reprint the knob in a different material but these look fantastic!

Kevin and I need to discuss how to distribute but I think its a success (see attached pics)!

 

[boss-tiger]

Let us know if/when you have available, I am interested - good work, look very good.

 

[Warren]

Maybe I'm not seeing this clearly but the washer pump knob is slightly longer then the Cigar lighter. Also as the originals can be sourced on AH cars and the early E types the Jag models had a lighted socket. Never seen a Tiger with the lighted socket but seen several other car's with oops missed the ho...

 

[alpine_64]

Maybe I'm not seeing this clearly but the washer pump knob is slightly longer then the Cigar lighter. Also as the originals can be sourced on AH cars and the early E types the Jag models had a lighted socket. Never seen a Tiger with the lighted socket but seen several other car's with oops missed the ho...

Yes the washer pump has the longer knob ( how risque)
The 60s Jag did use the same lighter.. as did the Lamborghini Miura.... See what those guys ask for them

 

[Collimator62]

Maybe I'm not seeing this clearly but the washer pump knob is slightly longer then the Cigar lighter. Also as the originals can be sourced on AH cars and the early E types the Jag models had a lighted socket. Never seen a Tiger with the lighted socket but seen several other car's with oops missed the ho...

Yeah, they're both the same knob rather than the actual slightly longer one of the washer pump (I think I'm inferring correctly from your statement that the original washer pump knob is slightly longer). Oh well, for ~11$ each, I'm not complaining compared to sourcing an original or trying to move in on Miura territory.

Plus, I enjoyed the process - hopefully designing and printing the SI / SII switch labels next (mine are in a sorry state)

 

[hartmandm]

Does the printing result in a textured finish?

Thanks,
Mike

 

[puff4]

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Just as an update, the prints came back from Shapeways- i had to reprint the knob in a different material but these look fantastic!

Kevin and I need to discuss how to distribute but I think its a success (see attached pics)!

Well done! I can also CAD the washer knob, but mine is at the body shop (my car is presently getting a respray). If you can send me one I can send it back when I’ve done making the CAD model.

As for discussion, I’ll PM you.

 

[alpine_64]

Plus, I enjoyed the process - hopefully designing and printing the SI / SII switch labels next (mine are in a sorry state)

We have accurate models of the series I/II/3 switch escutcheon and also of the late series II/3 heater escutcheon.

Steve Silverstein modelled nthrm back in about 2010