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Drivability mods

the ghoul

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Hi every one, Im fairly new to the site and have had no luck searching for my answers, just got little hints here and there. I am opening this thread to hopefully compile a how to resource on how to make our alpines a bit more drivable.

Please post up links with specific how to mods. Im looking for in depth stuff.
EX: Its been determined that the best way to upgrade the cooling system is to upgrade the radiator.. That being said what year/make/model is a good radiator upgrade.

So if you have links or specific info (years makes and models of donner cars that parts are coming from)
Please post them up
 

the ghoul

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here are a few jumping points I found on aworkshop manual cd I bought, but again there are few specific part number or donnor cars mentioned.

Cooling system Most British cars were designed for the cool climate of the British Isles. If you're caught in traffic in the heat of the day, you're going to boil over. To combat this I had a stock 2 core radiator modified to a 3 core (cost $120). I then installed an oil cooler from a Series V, and an electric fan from a Honda Civic ahead of the radiator ($20 in a junkyard). The latter keeps the air flowing through the radiator in slow traffic. Other cooling mods I'm considering are a finned aluminum oil pan (from an Alpine GT), and a 14 lb. radiator cap (stock is 7 lb.). The latter increases the boiling point of the coolant, and requires reinforcing the heater core ends. These mods have kept temps within limits, and other than a few holes in the sheet metal, don't affect the outward appearance of the car.

Electrical system The dreaded "Lucas Disease" has a number of cures. Start with the longest lasting, most powerful battery you can afford. I've found that a sealed battery such as the Delco Freedom series is the best choice for my Alpine which has the battery mounted under my
rear "occasional" seat. The sealed battery cuts down on upholstery-eating caustic fumes and spilled acid. Inspect and replace all frayed, brittle, or poorly insulated wiring. Clean connectors, lugs and other contacts with a scotchbrite pad, and use di-electric grease to help prevent corrosion. Convert positive ground systems to negative ground. Run a newly rebuilt starter motor and generator or alternator. An ammeter is also a must. Alpines had only one fuse box with 2 fuses. I installed an additional fuse box for accessories. I found that a horn relay improved the performance of my Clear Hooters. I replaced my single speed wiper motor with a dual speed unit from a Series III Alpine. Consider converting to an internally regulated alternator. Nissan/Datsun pickups in the middle '80s had a small alternator that adapts to these cars nicely. My alternator keeps up with halogen head lamps, driving lights, and other current suckers without problems. In fact, this alternator is without a doubt the best modification I have made yet for reliability.
 

the ghoul

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Fuel system An electric fuel pump can improve reliability and fuel delivery. Remove the mechanical pump and seal the mounting hole with a blanking plate and gasket. I found through trial and error that a 2-5 lb. pressure rotary fuel pump like the one from Carter has the best reputation for reliability (most solenoid actuated "thumper" models are to be avoided). Mount it near the gas tank with rubber insulating grommets to avoid excess noise and vibration. You should check to see that your pressure is within specifications, and you'll need a fuel pressure regulator valve. For solid reliability, there is nothing like a properly set up Weber carb. The most common model for 4 cyl. cars is the DGAV range down-draft 2 barrel progressive carb. Some have automatic chokes, and some are manual. Twin Mountain Induction and other carb shops sell kits. The Series III and IV GT model alpines had a 2 barrel Solex carb, and a Weber 2 barrel fits nicely on the intake manifold for this carb. Follow your mechanic's recommendations about air cleaners, linkage, and other modifications. Most gas tanks from these classic cars can use some refurbishing. I took mine out, removed the float and sender, and put a tow chain inside. After about 30 minutes of agitation to remove rust and scale, I blew it out, washed with solvent, and treated the inside of the tank with POR-15 gas tank coating. This resists MTBE and other nasty additives, converts rust, and binds any residual crud which could enter the fuel system. An inline fuel filter was also installed, and metal fuel lines were used where possible. Eliminate all leaks, and carry a haylon fire extinguisher in the car just in case. Haylon does not attack your wiring or create impossible cleanup problems. I run super unleaded with a lead substitute, but I'm considering converting my engine's valves, seats, and guides to more modern hardened units so I can burn unleaded gas straight. I've found quite a difference in various brands of gas, so find a couple that you like and stay with them.

brake system It has been said that British cars are hard to get running, but once you do, there's no stopping them. Actually, most Girling or Lockheed systems found on British cars are adequate to good. They do, however, require proper maintenance and occasional rebuilding. Girling recommends Girling or Castrol brake fluid only in its systems. Silicone brake fluid reportedly swells rubber pistons and seals, and conventional fluids
will attack them. The aluminum bores of a Sunbeam's brake cylinders are subject to pitting. While it is possible to polish the bores, new cylinders are recommended. An alternative is offered by White Post Restorations. For $30-50 per bore they will install a brass liner. Disc brake pistons are often hard chromed, and when pitted must be replaced (expensive). When replacement is required, you should opt for aftermarket stainless steel pistons supplied by Sunbeam Specialties and some others dealers. The new Teflon or semi metallic brake pads and shoes will give better service than the old asbestos numbers. Be extremely careful around brake dust, and wear a respirator. Later Sunbeams incorporated a Girling vacuum operated booster. This lowered pedal pressure and improved braking. These units are difficult and tricky to rebuild, and adapting a more modern unit might be the way to go. Periodic adjustment of the rear shoes and bleeding the system should be part of your maintenance schedule. New brake hoses and replacement of any damaged lines should also be mandatory.


Engine modifications My Alpine came stock with an early canister oil filter. I changed the mount to take a modern screw-on disposable filter. I also changed to an Allison/Crane electronic ignition system and Bosch Platinum WR9-DP spark plugs. Pay particular attention to gaskets, seals, and the sealing compound used for each. Use the best stuff you can buy, and always go through all gaskets when the engine is out of the car. It may not be possible to get at them easily once the engine is installed. It's also a good idea to replace the clutch disk whenever the engine is out, and a ball bearing throwout bearing (if you can find one) is a good way to avoid grief. Check the engine mounts, loose wires (particularly around exhaust system) loose bolts (these engines do shake) and keep all fluids topped up and changed on regular schedules. After experimenting with new synthetic oils, I settled on Castrol 20 wt. with an STP chaser. I experienced some blow-by with Mobil 1 synthetic oil. Remember to change oil and filter more frequently in dusty or hard service conditions. Also remember not to rev the engine before it gets full oil pressure. I use Slick 50 to reduce wear on startup.

Driveline After rebuilding several transmissions, I've learned a few lessons the hard way. British bearings have a bad reputation (indifferent metallurgy you know). Fortunately, most bearings can be cross matched to American, Japanese, Swedish or other good bearings. This goes for wheel bearings as well. When you're in the transmission, carefully inspect all parts, and consider replacing synchro rings, all bearings, shift forks, circlips, springs, and any other suspect parts. You won't be sorry, and will probably save in the long run. Gearboxes and rear ends are a good place to use the proper grade of synthetic oil with one exception. It is not recommended to use synthetic oil or additives with Laycock overdrive units, because the cone clutches could slip. By the way, once you've tried an overdrive on an Alpine you'll want to use your non-overdrive transmission as a boat anchor. I've also heard of some hearty souls adapting 5 speed Toyota transmissions to Alpines (good luck). British rubber seals also tend to be of lower quality than American counterparts, but are easily cross matched. Replace them when you can, using single lipped (not double lipped) seals.
 

the ghoul

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Theft protection A hidden switch that grounds the primary circuit of the coil or a battery cutoff switch are inexpensive theft insurance. Mark your car with your social security number in concealed places to aid retrieval if it is stolen. Steering wheel lock bars are popular, as are alarm systems. A removable dash plate on your stereo will also deter theft. I question the value of bumper stickers that threaten firearms or Dobermans. I like the humble, self-effacing approach that feeds on the reputation of British cars. Mine reads: All Parts Falling Off This Car are of the Finest English Workmanship.

Other mods and accessories Try to avoid wire wheels with a runner, as the splines and spokes will wear or break. Mini-light or other period wheels are a good choice for that touch of authenticity. After-market wheels can also be wider, and allow an increase in tire width which will aid cornering and stability. Stock Alpine wheels are 4.5 inches wide. Aftermarket alloys are available in 5.5 and 6 inch width. A 5.5 inch wheel should be able to accommodate up to 185-13 tires. An "S" or higher rated tire is recommended where performance is at all important. A roll bar is a smart safety option, particularly in a roadster. I added sun visors from a Ford Fiesta to my Alpine (an inexpensive solution compared to trying to buy originals). Dual side view mirrors are also recommended. Outfitting your runner with a tonneau cover, chrome luggage rack, badge bar, driving lights and other accessories could also inhance the looks and functionality. I couldn't resist a custom zebra wood dash, chrome headlight doors, and a wooden shift knob with Sunbeam logo. I also installed a stereo/cassette. My car had 6 inch speaker cut-outs behind the kick pannels on either side of the footwells below the dash, but there are other possible mounting strategies which would give better sound. A factory hard top (early or late) will make your Alpine a true 4 season runner. You're on your own with continental kits, neon, 4X4 or low rider conversions.
 

Nickodell

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If you change to an electric fuel pump it is mandatory to fit an inertia kill switch in series. If you don't, and have an accident that traps you in the car and it catches fire, you will sit there while the pump merrily feeds gas to the conflagration.

And forgive me for being blunt, but running on a home-made soup of 20 "wt." (presumably you mean SAE20) oil and STP is asking for trouble. Its viscosity may be too high when cold, or too low when hot, or both. You get the worst of both worlds. Multigrade oils provide quick lubrication and flow in cold weather and good lubricity and viscosity when hot. The appearance of multigrades in the 50s was one of the reasons engines that used to be worn out by 100K miles instead reached double that. There is no reason that, for instance, a multigrade 20W50 oil - whether dino or synthetic - should result in any more blow-by than a straight SAE30 or 40.
 

puff4

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I agree, Nick. Self-mixing oils is looking for trouble, and I am not a fan of electric pumps, either - the original mechanical pump works very well, provides proper pressure, offers a quite long service life, and is inexpensively rebuilt if you ever need to (mine has continued running for over 25 years now).

Another tip - use real Lucas fuses, NOT American ones - there *is* a difference. The reason is in the way fuses are rated... English fuses are rated on blow value, and American ones are rated on load value. So, if you install a 35 amp Lucas fuse, it will blow at 35 amps. If, however, you install an American fuse, it is rated for a 35 amp load system and will blow at a much higher amperage. This is the primary reason for burned harnesses in English cars - folks use American fuses and they carry a higher load, allowing the harness to take the load and melt before the fuse finally blows (if ever). I've never changed to a multi-fuse system and have used the original 2-fuse layout with properly rated Lucas fuses on every English car I've owned - and that's over 40 so far, from Austins and Bentleys to Sabras and Triumphs - and I have yet to have a burned wiring issue in any of them.

Another drivability item WRT brakes & clutch hydraulics... change out your brake & clutch fluid annually. Castrol, despite it's name, is not "low-moisture activity" (LMA) - the dang stuff sucks up water like a sponge, and that eventually spells death for the rubber and metal bits in the system. I agree not to use silicone - Tiger Tom did a test years ago that I believe did not show significant swelling, but frankly I just don't see a reason to use it unless you're racing and need the heat protection it provides. Get yourself a Gunson's Eezibleed system that makes changing fluid a piece of cake (really! - only about 1/2 hour start to finish), and then bleed the brakes and clutch annually with fresh Castrol. Your hydraulics will love you in return.

Also regarding the braking system, the White Post bronze sleeving and stainless disc brake pistons are almost a must if you want a flawless and worry-free system. I did both to mine over 25 years ago and haven't had to touch the brakes since. Worth every penny. (I also blued rear brake pistons to reduce corrosion there as well.)

Another tip - follow the factory lubrication schedule like it's your religion. British cars need much more frequent lubrication than your average US car. Pay attention to those grease fittings, the steering box and other items listed in the workshop manual. Also, use the proper grade of lube. The only exception is the steering box, where it is possible to substitute a lightweight grease in place of oil if your bottom seal is shot and you want to avoid the aggro of replacing it.

Finally, schedule - and I mean PUT IT ON YOUR DAILY CALENDAR - at least one annual maintenance day for your car. Do the lubrication, bleeding, filter cleaning/replacement, oil change, etc. all on one day. If you don't put it on the calendar there's a good chance that you'll either forget to do it, or certainly forget to do it within the proper schedules. Failure to plan is just planning to fail, and that's certainly true of maintenance. This is particularly important when you've got a collection of vintage vehicles, but it's even a good idea even if you've only got one - time flies and memories are not perfect, and missed maintenance and lubrication is just plain expensive in the long run.
 

the ghoul

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goodcall on the inertia switch!!! thats one a first timmer like my self would have missed.

also you wont hurt my feelings one bit on cutting down thisguys mod suggestions... Im not a fan of mixing oils eaither, just sounds like bad news.

If you change to an electric fuel pump it is mandatory to fit an inertia kill switch in series. If you don't, and have an accident that traps you in the car and it catches fire, you will sit there while the pump merrily feeds gas to the conflagration.

And forgive me for being blunt, but running on a home-made soup of 20 "wt." (presumably you mean SAE20) oil and STP is asking for trouble. Its viscosity may be too high when cold, or too low when hot, or both. You get the worst of both worlds. Multigrade oils provide quick lubrication and flow in cold weather and good lubricity and viscosity when hot. The appearance of multigrades in the 50s was one of the reasons engines that used to be worn out by 100K miles instead reached double that. There is no reason that, for instance, a multigrade 20W50 oil - whether dino or synthetic - should result in any more blow-by than a straight SAE30 or 40.
 

Nickodell

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Not that I have anything against STP per se so long as one understands that it simply raises viscosity. These products (like Motor Honey and several others) originated long before STP, in the days of single-grade oils, as a way of increasing oil pressure and reducing oil loss by blowby and leakage in worn-out engines by shoving up the viscosity.

Back in my impecunious college days in the mid-50s I was one of the few (other than the scions of rich families) who had any kind of 4-wheel vehicle, a 1939 Austin 8 - that's not eight cylinders, but 8 horsepower (by the dumb "RAC Rating," it actually put out about 28 bhp.) Because of its stratospheric mileage, with conventional SAE40 or even 50 oil the oil pressure gauge rarely left the zero stop when hot. My solution was SAE140 gear oil, on which she ran OK for the two years I had her, and at least another year with the guy I sold her to. The only stipulation was to turn the engine over for 30 seconds with the ignition off to get some of this treacle into the bearings and cams.
 

nickraymond

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Kenlowe electric fan is a more costly but tidier solution than getting an electric off a junkyard car.

Immobiliser switch, I use a dip switch hidden away. ;)

Alarm with microwave sensor (builds a bubble that when entered goes off, perfect for tonneau cover when at shops) Locking fuel cap, (drill a hole through the petrol cap into the button with a grub screw, undo it with surgical screwdriver when filling up.

Make your seals good, and use silicon sealant to make it extra water tight.

Have your valve seats hardened and run on unleaded (I run on higher octane still though as the car feels nicer)

Have an uprated alternator put on to ensure your charging ok during wet, dark, cold, winter days (UK anyway) you don't want to be sitting in traffic draining your battery too many days on the bounce. One from a Mini 1000 works nicely on mine.

Radiator wise I'd say go 3-core, stick a Kenlowe on and you should be ok. I am in London traffic, have taken the mechanical fan off, as it seems unnecessary extra weight on the engine.

Electronic ignition is unnecessary as too is a electric fuel pump IMO,

Weber Carb is one you can set up and forget, but it won't outpower twin stromburgs (sp?) setup correctly.

A Weber is DEFINITELY better than the standard Solex for Series III/IV.

Finally, and most importantly a tool kit and AA (recovery service) membership...
Because they will go wrong sometimes...

Nick
 

the ghoul

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good suggestions...
just one quick question
any particular year Mini 1000 for the alternator or are they all the same? i dont know much about them living here in the USA.
Kenlowe electric fan is a more costly but tidier solution than getting an electric off a junkyard car.

Immobiliser switch, I use a dip switch hidden away. ;)

Alarm with microwave sensor (builds a bubble that when entered goes off, perfect for tonneau cover when at shops) Locking fuel cap, (drill a hole through the petrol cap into the button with a grub screw, undo it with surgical screwdriver when filling up.

Make your seals good, and use silicon sealant to make it extra water tight.

Have your valve seats hardened and run on unleaded (I run on higher octane still though as the car feels nicer)

Have an uprated alternator put on to ensure your charging ok during wet, dark, cold, winter days (UK anyway) you don't want to be sitting in traffic draining your battery too many days on the bounce. One from a Mini 1000 works nicely on mine.

Radiator wise I'd say go 3-core, stick a Kenlowe on and you should be ok. I am in London traffic, have taken the mechanical fan off, as it seems unnecessary extra weight on the engine.

Electronic ignition is unnecessary as too is a electric fuel pump IMO,

Weber Carb is one you can set up and forget, but it won't outpower twin stromburgs (sp?) setup correctly.

A Weber is DEFINITELY better than the standard Solex for Series III/IV.

Finally, and most importantly a tool kit and AA (recovery service) membership...
Because they will go wrong sometimes...

Nick
 

TulsaAlpine

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Hagarty Insurance

;) Go for the Roadside Assistance Plus with Hagarty does cost a little more then the AAA but it also can be used on any vehicle you own. They will send a flatbed truck for you Alpine, that is good news!
3 - 125 mile tows in a year, that should pay for the insurance :rolleyes:

http://www.hagerty.com/

Donna
:D
 

RootesRacer

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Electronic ignition is unnecessary as too is a electric fuel pump IMO,

I have to disagree on the electronic ignition.

If the purpose is reliability and drivability, points dont cut it in my book.

While points may work perfectly fine for ignition, they still have a rubbing block which wears out, affects dwell, and lets not forget points and condenser replacement intervals.

Back in the old days, every 10,000 miles or so points and condenser replacement was obligatory as part of a "tune up".

Its the points that is responsible for the distributor shaft bushing wear, and once the wear is there, timing and dwell are all over the place.

I cant tell you how many times someone has an ignition issue and it turns out being the points or condenser.

IMO the best money you will ever spend on your alpine is electronic ignition.
 

the ghoul

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is there a brand/style/or retrofit kit that you reccomend?
I have to disagree on the electronic ignition.

If the purpose is reliability and drivability, points dont cut it in my book.

While points may work perfectly fine for ignition, they still have a rubbing block which wears out, affects dwell, and lets not forget points and condenser replacement intervals.

Back in the old days, every 10,000 miles or so points and condenser replacement was obligatory as part of a "tune up".

Its the points that is responsible for the distributor shaft bushing wear, and once the wear is there, timing and dwell are all over the place.

I cant tell you how many times someone has an ignition issue and it turns out being the points or condenser.

IMO the best money you will ever spend on your alpine is electronic ignition.
 

RootesRacer

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is there a brand/style/or retrofit kit that you reccomend?


I do not recommend the pertronix, it is not very accurate from cyl to cyl.

Any ignition that uses a shutter wheel such as Crane/Allison or luminition are good in my book. Using a Lucas 45D electronic distributor with a non-lucas ignition amplifier would also get my approval.
 

64beam

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Hi,

I have used a few electronic ignition kits in my Alpine. When I had the 25D4, I used the Pertronix unit and had no problem and the second unit which is still currently installed is a Newtronic (Piranha) unit from the UK which is an optical type setup. This is coupled to a Lucas 43D4 mechanical advance distributor installed when I had twin Dellorto DHLA's) and have had no problem with the newtronic unit.

Regards, Robin.
 

twospeed

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I have drove all over this great USA with everthing from street rods to muscle cars and I have learned one thing.
Electronic ignitions will die, they will.When ever I drive a car that has a pickup coil or optical trigger in the distributor, I always have a point system in the trunk ready to go on.
Shure points where out but they wont just die on you. A electric box will----been there done that.
My sunbeam now has a MSD 6 Al and I use the stock distributor to trigger it.
Low voltage thro the points so they last longer---shure the bubbing block will where------BIG DEAL-----just adjust them.And if the MSD box takes a dump on me ----few minutes and I am back to a regular point system.
So put on what you want,just keep a point system ready in the trunk. Could be the difference between 1/2 hour on the side of the road fixing it or$$$$$$$$$$ for a tow to who knows where.
 

RootesRacer

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Well if you are running MSD then there you go. There are few aftermarket electronic products with a worse reliability reputation that autotronics/MSD.

Properly designed, electronic ignition will go the life of a car, thats why they dont put points in cars any more, points are cheaper than an electronic box you know.

On an ignition box, there is nothing to wear, older OEM ignitions (motorcraft duraspark the prime example) typically went 10 years/80,000 miles, then the electronics would begin to flake out on you and ultimately fail due to silicon doping migration, a product of old school semiconductor diffusion processing and excessing under hood temperatures for electronics in general.

Anyhow my point (pun intended) was to affirm that electronic ignition improves reliability and reduces maintainance procedures by eliminating failure prone and mechanically consumable parts.
 

twospeed

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So why then do most of your industrial motors and small aircraft still use magnetos?{points} And also MSD might not be the best-----but MALLORY IS THE WORST EVER
 

Nickodell

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One reason is that the average General Aviation (small piston aircraft) is well over 20 years old, and the basic engine design twice that.
 

twospeed

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Still works then,all I am saying dont thro the good old point system in the garbage.
Could get you home some day.:) Thanks for the replies,was fun and informative.
 
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