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The Kind of Sherrif we Need

Nickodell

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The Kind of Sheriff we Need

To those of you not familiar with Joe Arpaio he is the Maricopa, Arizona, county Sheriff and he keeps getting elected over and over. This is one of the reasons why. He created the “Tent City Jail” that has been featured on TV several times, and drawn the wrath of the ACLU. He has jail meals, mainly bologna sandwiches, down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them. He deleted coffee, as it has no nutritional value. When the inmates complained, he told them, “This isn’t the Ritz/Carlton. If You Don’t Like It, Don’t Come Back.” He prohibited smoking and porno magazines in the jail, took away their weights, and cut off all but “G” movies.

He took away cable TV until he found out there was a federal court order that required cable TV for jails so he hooked the cable TV back up, but fixed so that it could let in only the Disney and Weather channels. When asked why the weather channel, he replied “so they’ll know how hot it’s going to be tomorrow.” He bought Newt Gingrich’s lecture series on videotape that he pipes into the jails. When asked by a reporter if he had any lecture series by a Democrat, he replied that Democrat lectures might explain why a lot of the inmates were in his jails in the first place.

With temperatures even hotter than usual in Phoenix this summer (a new record of 116 degrees), the Associated Press reported that about 2,000 inmates living in the barbed wire compound at the Maricopa County jail have been given permission to strip down to their government-issued pink boxer shorts. As sweat collected on their chests and dripped down to their pink socks, “It feels like we are in a furnace,” said James Zanzot, an inmate who has lived in the tents for one year. “It’s inhumane.” Joe Arpaio, is not one bit sympathetic. He said on TV that he told all of the inmates: “It’s 120 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have to wear full battle gear, but they didn’t commit any crimes, so shut your damned mouths!”

He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city projects. When several liberal groups, principally the ACLU, complained about Bringing Back Jim Crow (the great majority of the prisoners are minorities) and sued Arpaio, he explained that the prisoners volunteered for the chain gangs as they wanted to work outside as an alternative to the boredom and extreme heat they suffered from languishing in their tents, but he didn't have enough deputies in his department to guard a large number outside the jail. The prisoners are shackled with padded leg irons and none has had even a sore leg, and two guards suffice for the whole gang. The courts sided with him, and rejected the suit. The ACLU etc. then sued on the basis of "sex discrimination," so he started chain gangs for women.

To his liberal critics, Joe Arpaio points out that he rarely sees the same inmates twice, as the repeat offence rate is way low. "They really don't want to come back here, and I don't want to see them." Way To Go, Sheriff! Maybe if all prisons were like this one there would be a lot less crime and/or repeat offenders. Criminals should be punished for their crimes - not live on the taxpayer’s expense, enjoying things that many honest citizens can’t afford, until it’s time for their parole, only to go out and commit another crime.

UPDATE: The above was from some two years ago. Now a new development. Maricopa County was spending approx. $18 million dollars a year on stray animals, like cats and dogs. Sheriff Joe offered to take the department over, and the County Supervisors said okay. The animal shelters are now all staffed and operated by prisoners. They feed and care for the strays. Every animal in his care is taken out and walked twice daily. He now has prisoners who are experts in animal nutrition and behavior. They give great classes for anyone who’d like to adopt an animal. He has literally taken stray dogs off the street, given them to the care of prisoners, and had them win awards in dog shows. The best part? His budget for the entire department is now under $3 million.

The prisoners get the benefit of about $0.28 an hour for working, but most would work for free, just to be out of their cells for the day. Most of his budget is for utilities, building maintenance, etc. He pays the prisoners out of the fees collected for adopted animals. I have long wondered when the rest of the country would take a look at the way he runs the jail system, and copy some of his ideas. He has a huge farm, donated to the county years ago, where inmates can work, and they grow most of their own fresh vegetables and food, doing all the work and harvesting by hand. He has a pretty good sized hog farm, which provides meat, and fertilizer. It fertilizes the Christmas tree nursery, where prisoners work, and you can buy a living Christmas tree for $6 - $8 for the Holidays, and plant it later.

Yup, he was reelected last year with 83% of the vote. Now he’s in trouble with the ACLU again. He painted all his buses and vehicles with a mural that has a special hotline phone number painted on it, where you can call and report suspected illegal aliens. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement wasn’t doing enough in his eyes, so he had 40 deputies trained specifically for enforcing immigration laws, started up his hotline, and bought four new buses just for hauling illegals back to the border. He’s my kind of a “Git-R Dun” kind of Sheriff.
 

Nickodell

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The mainstream media, being solidly liberal, with a tiny few exceptions won't touch this with a 10-foot pole. Or even a 10-foot Hungarian :)D )
 

mikephillips

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While I tend to be middle of the road politically I've always though that prison, county lockup, city jail, etc should be the worst experience of your life if you go there. Not necessarily brutal, but one of those up at 5 am, marine boot camp type of experiences. And that's no matter how long you're in for. You should walk out thinking it's the last place you ever want to return to.
 

Mark T

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We just had a case here where the prosecutor asked the judge for a 1 year sentence and the defence attorney asked the judge to make it 2 years because the defendant felt "more comfortable" in prison than he did out in the community! The worst part is that the judge obliged!
 

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Sheriff Joe

Having lived in Maricopa County and listened to radio and watched TV you might think he's the Devil Incarnate. His opponents get all sorts of endorsements. But........

He does get re-elected in landslides. Days after the elections, the media is always in shock. Their best efforts can't defeat him. :p
 

skywords

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Give me another slice of that green baloney Joe and turn up the heat this tent is freezing.

The Jury is still out on his tactics with me, but hey we imprison more people than any other nation. 2.5 million on last count more per ca-pita than China!
Oh and why? DRUGS!

Now I know most of you will hate me for saying this. But the drug war is not working. So now what? You arrest them throw them in prison and what do they do? Why they do drugs. "That's right" in prison. If you can't keep it out of the prisons how the hell do you keep it off the streets?

My solution? Give the crap away on the street corners in candy dispensers with scoops.

Pros?
1.) drug enforcement budget ZERO!
2.) drug dealers now out of business!
3.) burglaries by drug addicts ZERO!
4.) Lots of money for treatment centers for the ones smart enough to accept. Darwin takes care of the rest.
5.) prisons can now be used for real criminals.
6.) no more need for smuggling across our borders.
7.) cost to produce the free drugs minimal.

Con's
well I just can't think of any. If my kids want to do drugs now it's avialable in the elementry schools. They now have candy meth, looks just like a piece of hard candy. Nothing will change for our kids boys and girls just the scum getting rich killing our kids won't be able to get rich anymore.

Why you say our communities would be a mess? Look at them now! drive down thru South Tucson nothing will change except the gun fire will come to a stop.

Well thats my opinion and you know what they say about that, everyones got one:rolleyes:
 

Nickodell

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Rick: If you legalize drugs the ACLU, NAACP, People for the American Way, Jesse Jerkson, Fat Albert Sharpie Sharpton, etc. etc., will accuse you of racism because a) the majority of the drug sellers are "minorities" [to use a euphemism] and you're taking the bread out of their mouths; how else can they earn an honest living? b) the majority of the drug users are "minorities," so it would be a devlish plot by Bush/the CIA/Clarence Thomas/fill in the blank/ to commit genocide, the same way they introduced crack (a female "minority" congresswoman actually claimed that some years ago) and AIDS to do the same.
 

skywords

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Hmmmm I never looked at it from a color stand point but you maybe right. But imagine a world where you could go to bed at night and leave the door unlocked, not that it would be a great idea even without addicts but it sure would be a safer world knowing the crack addicts aren't going to have to steal for today's fix. And after all they get their fix now it's just with our possessions at the pawn shop.

I heard once that if the US Gov purchased all the drugs produced on the planet and dug a hole and buried it the cost would be half of what we are spending today on the drug war. Makes you think.

I think the racial implications which we all know are self inflicted would be a small price to pay for a more realistic and sane way of handling this huge problem. The gangs are fueled by drug money plain and simple, lets remove that asset from them. They might have to look for work.
 

pdq67

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Look at the most popular drugs in the same light as cigarettes. The logical conclusion is to legalize pot and cocaine and tax them heavily. Just like cigarettes, a portion of the tax revenue could be used for treatment and public awareness. Also, a large part of the revenue should be used to get the really deadly drugs off the streets. Just putting the pot and cocaine dealers out of business would go a long way toward reducing the availability of PCP and Meth because it would interrupt the distribution networks. Next door to the ABC (Alcoholic Beverage Control) store, you could find the COP (Coke Or Pot) store.
 

skywords

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It all boils down to our civil liberties. If I want shampoo my hair with lacquer thinner every morning, no law says I can't. If I want to light my hair on fire, no law says I can't. If I want to jump out of an airplane, no law says I can't. If I want ski down a mountainside at 90 mph, no law says I can't. Many years ago we found one of our fuelers dead on the ramp unknown to us he enjoyed putting his nose in the fuel tank openings and getting his morning rush. Stupid is just stupid!

As long as I do not endanger the life or property of others, Then hey!

The current drug laws promote the endangerment of life and property. The laws have made the cost of the drugs so high that addicts have no choice but to steal and kill to feed their habit. And the state and federal budgets are so used up trying to enforce the unenforceable there is no money for treatment centers. Anyone remember Prohibition? Ding Dong!
 

mikephillips

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I'm also one of those who believes that the war on drugs is and always has been a lost cause. There is a minority of people who will always risk whatever the punishment may be for that rush, why do you think there are still drug abusers in countries with execution for violation?? Holland has proven that legalization tend to not change the number of abusers signficantly but can cut the amout of property crime. And I don't think what you, as an consenting adult, do in your home is any business of anyone other than your family and possibly your employer. All we do with prison for many drug offences is create another more hardened criminal.
BTY, I also believe, even though I've never been tempted to try, that prostitution should be legal and regulated for the safety of all participants. It's not called the oldest profession for nothing....
 

gordonra

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I've always heard that having a liberal attitude means that you need to protect people from hurting themselves, and a more conservative view is to protect you from other people.

So, when a doped up pedestrian is walking along the train tracks and gets killed by the train, who's fault is it, who pays, who is hurt, and who benefits?

On one side:
The railroad shouldn't be running a blind opperation with inadequate safeguards. We could say that the cost of guarding the tracks is prohibitive.

On another side:

The pedestrian shouldn't be walking on private property.
The pedestrian, being incoherant, was not being responsible for his actions.

A lot of time and money expended. The medical and emergency crews called out at what expense? How many other needy people were unable to be attended because of this inncident?

What about the more innocent people involved? Those that witnessed the incident, the train engineer, and passengers whos lives are affected by the stupid act of another person or group?

We could throw a little more regulation at everything so that our lives and business are just that much more complicated and costly. More reason for companies to take business outside of the US. Where does it end?
 
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