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splined hub removal-HELP?

BluesDog

Donation Time
My new prodject car a 66 SV has wire wheels and the rear splined hubs are very worn and need replacement along with the wheels. I have been trying in vain for days to get these blasted hubs off to reinstall the new ones. Any advice for a new sunbean restorer? I've already broken one puller and I'm now working with a larger one. I've had the puller on for days to no avail.

BluesDog:confused:
 

jack Bacon

Donation Time
Hub Removal

My Series II rear hubs were very hard to get off. Loosen the axle nuts and turn them out so they are flush with the ends of the axle. If you do not do this, the ends of the axles will mushroom or even split! Use a Proto 4000 puller or similar that can bolt onto the hubs. Turn in the center shaft so it is snug , then tighten 1/4 turn with a breaker bar, hammer firmly several times on the end of center shaft, then another 1/4 turn and a few more whacks, then a final 1/2 turn and a few more wacks. Do no tighten more than one full turn. Wack some more on the end of the center shaft and it should pop loose. My right rear hub popped right off but the left hub was stubborn so after the above procedure I applied a handheld torch with MAPP gas (burns hotter) to where the neck of the hub meets the base and it popped right off. Sometimes letting it sit overnight with the pressure on the hub and more wacks will persuade it to come off. Good luck!

Regards,

Jack
 

BluesDog

Donation Time
Splined Hub removal

Well I did as you suggested, and all I've accomplished was ruining the wheel bearing behind the hub with the heat I applied with the MAPP gas tourch. The hub is fast and will not budge. I have the correct two wing puller and I've whacked the crap out of it, to no avail. All I'm doing is waisting my energy and additional parts at this point.

At this point I'm concidering a hand grinder to slice through but I know it will take forever because it's hardened steel. Any other advice? Anyone?

BluesDog
 

V6 JOSE

Donation Time
You may have to pull the axles and take them to a shop with a BIG press and have them pressed off.

Jose :(


Well I did as you suggested, and all I've accomplished was ruining the wheel bearing behind the hub with the heat I applied with the MAPP gas tourch. The hub is fast and will not budge. I have the correct two wing puller and I've whacked the crap out of it, to no avail. All I'm doing is waisting my energy and additional parts at this point.

At this point I'm concidering a hand grinder to slice through but I know it will take forever because it's hardened steel. Any other advice? Anyone?

BluesDog
 

mikephillips

Donation Time
I did one pair once that required not only a 30+ ton press but soaking overnight in a bucket of penetrating/rust desolving solution before the press would move them.
 

sd_pace

Donation Time
mine needed to go to the shop and it took them an hour to brake them loose... be careful with the heat
 

Nick Farrow

Donation Time
I've got a leaky hub seal which needs replacing and I took it to a local non-specialist garage about 4 weeks ago and they gave up as their puller wasn't man enough to remove the hub. On Monday I took the car to a specialist vintage car garage who tried their best but ended up giving up as their puller was bending things and they didn't want to bend the hub flange. Their advice to me was to get hold of a second hand wire wheel hub so that they can cut the end off the present hub and use a different puller as the one they have is having problems with the very long splined hub!

Sorry, not much help but at least you're not alone with this!

Can you remove the shaft and hub as a unit without removing the hub?
 

mikephillips

Donation Time
It is possible to remove the shaft with the hub still in place. Best way is with a slide hammer and a way to attach it to the hub.
 

BluesDog

Donation Time
Hub removal

Well it looks like I'm in good company! All the experts have had the same major frustration with this one task. I'm pleased to have set out a challenge to the forum and I hope I've helped others by reading the threads.

I ended up pulling out the axel shafts and buying used ones without the hubs from a sunbeam parts specialist. It was actually cheaper than buying a used Proto 4001 puller on E-bay.

I have learned so much from you guys I thank you. I feel comforted to be among experiance. You guys are the best! This forum is a great asset! :D

BluesDog
 

puff4

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I am curious, though, now that you have them out why would it not be possible to use a press and press out the axles from the hubs? I haven't seen much that a 30-ton press can't release! Most decent machine shops have one, and certainly they're found routinely at truck shops.
 

volvoguys

Diamond Level Sponsor
I've probably pulled 2 dozen sets of rear hubs and every one was with a puller and hammer. I've sold quite a few hubs or axles to guys (many in this club) who screwed up their parts by using presses and if you look back over prior threads on this topic you'll read testimonies from members who tried this and had disastrous results. Personally, I would never use heat either. I would be concerned about distorting the mating surfaces - even with gas or propane.

I believe there are 2 primary factors that influence success in getting rear steel & wire hubs off these cars. First, you need the right tool! Using gear pullers, no matter how large, just ain't got the snot to do the job. In the absence of the original Churchill tool used by Rootes, I have found no better than the one Jack mentioned earlier - the Proto 4001. It can sometimes be found on eBay and will give you results on either hub type.

Second, you need to be fearless in your attempt. The center cranking screw needs to be hammered HARD. Torquing HARD on the bolt, slamming it 3-4 times, torquing/hitting again (HARD) several more times and it will come off. Most guys are afraid of breaking the hub, axle or even the diff. But as long as you have everything aligned correctly and only hit the bolt head you aren't going to damage anything. I also recommend a 3-6 pound hammer with a short handle because you might smack the fender using a full sledge and then you'll really be p*ssed. It's the combination of pressure AND shock that gets the part off the car. Let's remember that this is the direction given in the WSM and if it was good enough them it's good enough now.

Mark
 

Pumpkin

Donation Time
Hub removal

O k Ok , I have heard enough.
Here is my tip. I beat the living cr.. out of knuckles and hubs. Then I made a chain to bolt onto the hub, about 2' long. then a small metal bracket to hold my 5 ton jack. I heated the heck out of the hub, had the jack in place to put pressure on the axel pulling on the hub.

I jacked untill I thought it was going to break the chain and walked away. Had a beer. About 20 minutes later I heard a big bang in the garage and walla there was the jack and hub laying on the floor.

Now a word of caution, once it is in place get the heck out of the way and let heat do its' job. I have found there are too many of you guys that are just too much of a hurry. Go have a beer.

Don't worry about seals and bearings, if you have this much trouble taking it apart it probably needs all new any way.
Chuck
 
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