seat belts

[sammaw@bellsout]

My car has seat belts that connect to a rod in the seat frame, via an overlapping hook connector. They appear to be as old as the car. I have removed to carpets and tarpaper and there are two holes on each side in the back floors that look like they are for seat belt mounting. Actually, one of the holes had the reminant of the seatbelt anchor, firmly attached with a rounded off 5/8 head in bolt (Another of those things that turns an easy job to a PITA)

Using the floor holes to mount new belts looks much stonger than those attached under the seats.

Which is correct for the SIV?

Thanks, my friends

Sam

Sam

 

[65beam]

one thing about attaching the belts to the seats is that when you hit and you go forward thru the windshield ,you stay in the seat. the threaded holes in the floor are for attaching the belts. my series 4 had plastic threaded plugs in the holes originally since it came without belts. seat belts were not required when these cars were new but they did provide fastening points.

 

[sammaw@bellsout]

Thanks,

Now heres the next Q? Any idea if the bolt kit from Vicky B fits the provided holes?

 

[alpine_64]

Forget lap belts.. you have a 3rd point on each side in the rear so you can have a lap sash.. in the rear wheels arches that face the body there are strenghtened mounts for a belt.

For the period look JC Whitney has somce nice chrome aircraft style belts.. about $50 a pair IIRC

 

[puff4]

For the period look JC Whitney has some nice chrome aircraft style belts.. about $50 a pair IIRC

Actually, only $35.99. I have the original Kangol's, but this is quite a nice find for those who need them. Every Sunbeam should have belts, even if they are not OEM, and these are a very period-correct style - decent color selection, too.

3-PT NON-RETRACTABLE LAP/SHOULDER SAFETY BELT:
http://www.jcwhitney.com/3-pt-non-retractable-lap/shoulder-safety-belt/p2006840.jcwx#

 

[agmason]

"Forget lap belts.. you have a 3rd point on each side in the rear so you can have a lap sash.. in the rear wheels arches that face the body there are strenghtened mounts for a belt."


Those mounts rust in most cars I've seen including mine. Rootes put a plastic plug in the threaded hole but it didn't stop the water from coming in from the wheel well. I used the hole and put the seat belt reinforced plate in the wheel well with the bolt inserted through the plate.

 

[alpine_64]

Actually, only $35.99. I have the original Kangol's, but this is quite a nice find for those who need them. Every Sunbeam should have belts, even if they are not OEM, and these are a very period-correct style - decent color selection, too.

3-PT NON-RETRACTABLE LAP/SHOULDER SAFETY BELT:
http://www.jcwhitney.com/3-pt-non-retractable-lap/shoulder-safety-belt/p2006840.jcwx#

When i bought them for my alpine back in 2004 i think they were around 50.. even better value now.. and for those interested, they are a nice item and i am still happy with mine.

 

[sammaw@bellsout]

Heres a link to the online store of the company that sells seatbelts to Moss, SS, and Vicky B.

I like this style with the clip hook. Makes them easy to remove for shows, etc.

Large color selection.

The mounting eye bolt is a 7/16" x 20. Is that correct for the holes in the rear floors

Sam

http://www.seatbeltplanet.com/seatbelts-and-accessories/lap-belts/m.products/23/view/5

 

[jmthehermit]

Sam, here is a link to seat belts that came in my Alpine. This was a factory ordered car. The bolt was screwed into the floor using the four sided bolt head then the seat belt was attached using a screw that secured the u shaped bracket thru the four sided bolt. This prevented any binding because it allowed side to side movement. There is also a shot of the later type hold down bolt, Series V and B382 model Tigers, that was used for regular and three point belts. It seems that there was no standard way of securing the belts to the floor on the Series IV cars. Click on the pic to get to more pics in my album. Jeff

 

[AlpineII]

There were no mounting holes in either of my Series II's when I put in seatbelts. My Series 3 has bolt holes for lap-belts but could not see any re-enforcing points in the wheel well area for the shoulder strap. I'll take a better look this weekend. Re-enforcing all the locations with 1/8" plate with the nuts spot welded to them to ease some of the work.

 

[Ron67Alpine]

Yeah, I've had the entire back upholstery out and didn't notice any reinforcement areas, on the wheel well...(SV). Do you have a pic of where they are located? I'd rather have 3 point belts. The old 2 point attachments areas had the more modern type of hold down buckle. The generic lap belts I put in used the same bolt and thread.

 

[Ken Ellis]

This thread:
http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/showpost.php?p=36651&postcount=1

discusses the location of the rear mounting holes on a '67. Although the thread says there are pictures in the posts, I didn't see them on the search. Don't know why.

If you look in the rear wheel well, from the outside, you can see the nut that the bolt goes into. I had to chase the threads with a tap to install the bolts, but that did the trick.

If the pics don't show up for you, I'll run out and take some measurements and photos.

Ken

 

[Ron67Alpine]

Ken, what comes up on that link is a single post asking about a good method to make a sitting platform on the folded top cover...kinda. W/nothing to indicate the thread.

 

[sunbby]

This thread:
http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/showpost.php?p=36651&postcount=1

discusses the location of the rear mounting holes on a '67. Although the thread says there are pictures in the posts, I didn't see them on the search. Don't know why.

If you look in the rear wheel well, from the outside, you can see the nut that the bolt goes into. I had to chase the threads with a tap to install the bolts, but that did the trick.

If the pics don't show up for you, I'll run out and take some measurements and photos.

Ken

If it was my picture it may be gone. I uploaded another one where you can see the original bracket mounted, just behind the passenger seat.

 

[jmthehermit]

Any picture loaded directly to the forum will eventually be deleted over a certain time. If you post a picture link from a photo album site (photobucket or webshots) to a thread, the picture will never disappear. Jeff

 

[Ron67Alpine]

Thanks for the picture. I have to remove the back padding again, to attach the top cover, anyway. I'll have a look behind the vinyl and padding, when I do.

 

[sharong]

I’ve got the interior out of my car right now. The small hole in the middle of the wheel well hump is here the shoulder anchor spot is, on a series IV anyways.

Sharong

 

[Ron67Alpine]

Cool, great picture. If it's on a SIV it should be on the SValso.

 

[Rodewaryer]

I've never regretted the retrofit I did years ago to put Saab 99 seat belts in my Series V. I wanted the shoulder mount as opposed to the lap only and one thing I always admired about the Saab belts was no metal clip on the belt. When you take them off you don't have to worry about the metal bit hitting anything, there isn't anything, just belt. It fit as previously pointed out by others, although at the time I had to figure the mounting myself.

 

[mamoose124]

I’ve got the interior out of my car right now. The small hole in the middle of the wheel well hump is here the shoulder anchor spot is, on a series IV anyways.

Sharong

Nice photo of location for 3-Point seat belts. Could this be drilled out for a Series II car? Also, do you have a photo of the seat belts after they were mounted? Would be nice to see how they are set up.