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Petronix vs. MSD

RootesRooter

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The Petronix unit seemed to make a real difference over the original points, both on a stock and then a warmed-over 1725. Lots of maintenance-free miles, with no erratic pinging. Now I'm thinking of taking another step up.

To those who've gone to MSD: Are you happy with MSD? Any noticeable power increase? Any headaches?

Dick Sanders
Kent, WA
 

RootesRacer

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The Petronix unit seemed to make a real difference over the original points, both on a stock and then a warmed-over 1725. Lots of maintenance-free miles, with no erratic pinging. Now I'm thinking of taking another step up.

To those who've gone to MSD: Are you happy with MSD? Any noticeable power increase? Any headaches?

Dick Sanders
Kent, WA

I am not a big fan of either, but they are in a whole different league.



The pertronics is just a basic lower end electronic ignition system.
I'd say its not much different than the others, but due to its design, it is NOT the same from a timing accuracy standpoint.

Heres why:

Pertronics uses a ring in the cap that spins on the dizzy shaft. This is not so different than the other. Where they go wrong is that the ring has 4 magnets (for a 4 cyl) cast into the ring, which since each magnet may or may not be positioned accurately, and each magnet may vary in its magnetic strength.

The result is that the timing from cylinder to cylinder varies. You might set the timing with your strobe light using #1, but #4 (360 crank degrees later) might show 5 degrees retarded timing. the same goes for #2 and #3, which fire at 180 degrees off the #1 and #4 timing marks.



MSD seems to be making some real crap these days. There is a cottage industry that has developed repairing them since the warranties are about as good as the product. The higher end systems DIS4 and DIS8 products are higher reliability than the old CD ignitions that made MSD famous, but these are much more expensive, and involve a crank wheel to be added, which is outside the cost and complexity level for most DIY folks.


When I first started designing engine management systems, I used to recommend the pertronics for basic ignition, and the MSD 6A, 6AL 7A or 7AL for more demanding race applications. Through time I got burned enough times from each system that in order to stay in business, I had to design my own ignition system that I integrated with the fuel injection system.


Today, short of touting my own systems, I would recommend either a Crane XR700/XR3000 or a luminition optronic igniter.
Both use an optical wheel, which is much more accurate that flying magnet triggers used in the pertronics, and some MSD systems.
 

alpine_64

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Jarrid,

i runa Bosch Scorcher electronic system. Its optical and a nice unit. Mechanical advance, it was machiened to fit my alpine and has been fantastic.
 

alpine_64

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Then it probably would meet my approval, provided it is reliable.

its has been so far.. but i dont dare risk jinxing it! Its a comon conversion here, we have a company that adpts the bosch scorchers to a variety of cars, not cheap, but they are good.
 

64beam

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Hi Dick,

I have used the pertronix ignitor before I updated to a purely mechanical advance distributor. I found the pertronix to be a very good substitute for points, but as Jarrid stated the construction/materials may not be ideal. I now run a Newtronic (Piranha) electronic ignition which fits into my distributor. This too has given me no trouble and is an sensor type system. A good start is a reconditioned/new distributor correctly setup for your engine. Without this it does'nt matter whether you're running points or electronic ignition. Seek advice from a reputable ignition specialist.

Regards, Robin.
 

Sunbeam Canada

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Crane XR3000 electronic ignition

Allow me to add Crane Cam's XR3000 to the list.

http://www.cranecams.com/?show=browseParts&lvl=5&prt=161&action=partSpec&partNumber=3000-0226

I was at the local parts shop yesterday and they have the Crane XR3000 electronic ignition on sale. I am seriously considering purchasing it for my next Alpine project.

Anyone shed some light on the pros/cons of this product?

also, would I have to make changes to other parts on the engine or is it idiot proof?
 

Jim E

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Have a Crane HI 6 CDI that I used on my four triggered it with a Pertronix. Now on the V6 am using the same HI 6 and triggering it with a Ford Dura spark distributor. The only iusse with the Crane is it does not want to trigger a tach and requires a tach adaptor never got around to buying one.

Think on the DOCE four it help tuning, but could be it didn't on the V6 not sure how much it helps.

The one thing I did notice is the engines seem to be a lot easier to start with the CDI box.
 

Chuck Ingram

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When I did my V6 conversion I ran MSD with a Mallory dual point distributor.Points lasted and lasted.The MSD unit ran for about 24 years.I don't know if it was going but I did remove it when I did a major tune up.I was aso using the Acell big coil and changed that as well.This didn't affect performance but it wasn't too long before I pulled the engine and went V8ing
 

gordonra

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I received a Pertronix module and coil as a Christmas gift, and haven't been able to install them yet because work is keeping me too busy.

Can anyone suggest what plug gap should a guy run with the electronic ignition use for an otherwise stock 1725? Surely it would be different than the original spec?

Rich
 
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