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Gear Reduction Starter

Discussion in '"Stock" Alpine' started by Eleven, Dec 2, 2021.

  1. Eleven

    Eleven Platinum Level Sponsor

    I am going to replace my current starter with a Gear Reduction one. My search of the site appears to recommend an Isuzu Trooper model but I cannot find the part number or year of car I need to order it. Any help will be much appreciated!
    Thank you!
     
  2. Jay Laifman

    Jay Laifman Gold Level Sponsor

    Why?

    I admittedly did put a gear reduction starter on my kit car that had a V6 engine being turned by a VW starter. But my Alpine has never been at a disadvantage with the stock starter.

    I'm not saying you shouldn't do it. I'm just wondering why and if there is a reason for the next time I need a starter (which has been really rare over the 40 years I've driven the car.
     
  3. Eleven

    Eleven Platinum Level Sponsor

    Mine is going and starting to crank slower and slower, I think it is drawing a lot of current. At any rate, regardless of that, The PO had decided to go with high compression flat top pistons so the car is hard to start when it cold out. I am hoping that cranking it with a bit more spin would help. If it does nothing then there is also no damage done.
     
  4. phyrman

    phyrman SAOCA Secretary Diamond Level Sponsor

    There is a guy in NY that sells them I cannot remember the name tho.........
     
  5. Jay Laifman

    Jay Laifman Gold Level Sponsor

    That makes sense. Thanks.

    One thing to always do is to take off the ground strap, clean all the surfaces and reattach.
     
  6. sunalp

    sunalp Platinum Level Sponsor

    Sunbeam Specialties also sells them. The guy in NY is Custom Spares.
     
  7. phyrman

    phyrman SAOCA Secretary Diamond Level Sponsor

    Keith Guftufson
    Guftufson Machine Starters
    1-978-281-2012
     
  8. Eleven

    Eleven Platinum Level Sponsor

    Thank you all for your help!
     
  9. BEpine

    BEpine Gold Level Sponsor

  10. Silver Creek Sunbeam

    Silver Creek Sunbeam Platinum Level Sponsor

  11. Tim R

    Tim R Silver Level Sponsor

    Tracy, we have a Powerlite gear reduction starter on one Alpine and a WOSP on another other. They spin the engine very quickly and the car starts easily. We have been very pleased with ours and for the difference in cost over the original it is a worthwhile upgrade IF you need to change a starter. The big advantage that many people don't realise is that the Hi-Gear style starters are the pre-engaged type and operate on the other side of the starter ring gear. As a result if your ring gear is a bit worn it is like getting a new ring as well.

    Tim R


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  12. Alpine 1789

    Alpine 1789 SAOCA President Diamond Level Sponsor

    I bought my starter from them, too, and have been very pleased with it. It is probably more than 10 years old now and still going strong. The adjustable design makes it easy to fit (well, easy for most people; I have a custom header on my car that complicated things considerably) and the car now starts much easier.
     
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  13. BEpine

    BEpine Gold Level Sponsor

    My engine is still on the stand but I have bench tested it and works fine. As Tim R stated, it will be just like having a new ring gear on the flywheel.
     
  14. Eleven

    Eleven Platinum Level Sponsor

    Tim, Where did you buy the WOSP brand starter?

    Thank you fellows for the retailer link; I have it book marked. Much appreciated!
     
  15. Hodee

    Hodee Donation Time

    Is the new starter shown the Wosp version? No solonoid? thanks
     
  16. Tim R

    Tim R Silver Level Sponsor

    Hodee,
    I THINK that is the WOSP version, not 100% sure. These Hi Gear starters are usually the pre-engaged type, they need a supply from the battery to turn them over and a supply from position 3 on the ignition switch to act as the 'exciter' when you turn the key. There is no need for an external solenoid.

    This is the link for WOSP https://www.amp-starters.co.uk/WOSP...ue-Reduction-Gear-Starter-Motor__p-34345.aspx

    This is a link for Powerlite https://www.edfmotorsports.co.uk/product-page/powerlite-rac401-starter

    There will be multiple other companies that supply similar items in the US.


    Tim R
     
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  17. Acollin

    Acollin Donation Time

    Just a thought here based on your description of the issue. Maybe the starter is not the problem.
    What weight oil do you run?
    I was running 20/50 motor oil and it was tough to crank when the outside temperature dropped. I switched to 10/30 and all seems well. For my series V , that 20 wt starting viscosity was just too much. I drained my oil without starting the car to warm things up and one could see how wildly thick the old oil was compared to the new oil going in from the container.
    Not sure if my solution suggests other issues—- but it did make things right at cranking on a cool day.
    Be well
     
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  18. Eleven

    Eleven Platinum Level Sponsor

    Thanks for the thought! I think I am running a lower viscosity number but am due for an oil change anyway
     
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  19. SierraNev

    SierraNev Platinum Level Sponsor

    Good afternoon,

    I have a similar problem with my Series V. Went to start it up on Saturday for a quick tour in 60 degree So Cal weather and she would not start. I had the battery tested and it was fine, less than a year old. When I turn the key I got a click. So I gave the wife a 2 x 4 and a small mallet and when I turned the key, with a few taps, the car started perfectly.

    I put in 20/50 high zinc oil in July. I was not really happy about rebuilding / replacing the starter.

    I guess I have some trouble shooting to perform this weekend.

    Any advice or opinions would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks again

    Emmett
     
  20. Eleven

    Eleven Platinum Level Sponsor

    Well, the hammer was a good start...
     
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