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Sunbeam 2000 build

Discussion in 'Modified Alpine' started by belmateo, Nov 19, 2015.

  1. Alpine66

    Alpine66 Donation Time

    Heck yeah on the steering!

    Is that Dutchman place local to you, or do you need to ship it?
     
  2. Bill Blue

    Bill Blue Diamond Level Sponsor

    I'm wishing I had it on my Alpine. Modern power steering is so good it is unnoticeable. It also has changed the way we drive and I'm convinced allows us to avoid a lot of accidents. All this is not noticeable until you drive something like an Alpine.

    Modern cars are able to maneuver in a way I cannot, even with the "little" tires. Especially in parking lots.

    Bill
     
  3. DanR

    DanR Diamond Level Sponsor

    Electric PS...?

    Mr Bill, Just sent you a PM.....
     
  4. belmateo

    belmateo Bronze Level Sponsor

    Need to ship, here is the web address for them

    http://www.dutchmanaxles.com/services
     
  5. 260Alpine

    260Alpine Silver Level Sponsor

    Last edited: Nov 24, 2015
  6. Alpine66

    Alpine66 Donation Time

  7. Bill Blue

    Bill Blue Diamond Level Sponsor

    Yeah, all I need is for someone to pull the engine and transmission! It has to come the bottom and there are a ton of things that have to be removed. Final assembly of the Duratec comes after the engine is installed.

    Maybe when the engine has to come out for another reason.

    Bill
     
  8. DanR

    DanR Diamond Level Sponsor

    It might be a bit simpler than.....

    removing the engine.....

    I will make a new Thread for what I've done so far with the Electric Power Steering modification to one of my Alpines.
     
  9. belmateo

    belmateo Bronze Level Sponsor

    I hadn't thought of that name, you never know. After the long holiday weekend and weather permitting, I was able to get the rear subframe assembly out (held in by six long bolts) and the gas tank out of the Honda. This is the first time dealing with quick connect fuel lines and after seeing how they work have become a fan. The only things left are the engine, transmission and front suspension assembly so the shell can go bye-bye. Then the fun begins.
     
  10. phyrman

    phyrman SAOCA Secretary Diamond Level Sponsor

    Adding a small turbo on it, you can easily obtain just over 400hp gross!!
    i was toying with doing this but the engines can be quite expensive
    Good luck!!
    Bruce
     
  11. belmateo

    belmateo Bronze Level Sponsor

    You are right, that will be an option. At the moment the numbers look pretty good. A 2000 lb Alpine with 240 hp that was in a 2800 lb car, like you said if I need more it can be easily gotten. I am so anxious to get the motor and trans out so I can get the shell out of here! Weather permitting, it will get done this weekend.
     
  12. Ratical

    Ratical Gold Level Sponsor

    Very impressive. I just brought home a 1962 Alpine yesterday. Still undecided but the S2000 eng. Has been a strong candidate. Best of luck and I will be following this post.
     
  13. belmateo

    belmateo Bronze Level Sponsor

    Congratulations on your 62, should be fun. A little update, it turns out Honda used a weak differential. The guys on the S2k forum complained about the darn thing breaking often even driving normal. So after some research I decided to go with a 1988-1993 Supra diff. The benefits are A) it is more compact so it shouldn't interfere with the spare tire well B) positraction C) 3:91 gear ratio will give me higher top end and better mileage. Next step is to cut and weld two engine stands to put the Alpine on a rotisserie so I can start fabricating the rear suspension. Now the fun begins.
     
  14. belmateo

    belmateo Bronze Level Sponsor

    Went to Harbor Freight and bought two engine stands and two farm jacks so I can build a rotisserie for the Sunbeam. Also stopped by the local metal supply store and got what I needed. Also took the rear sub frame apart to get the original third member out and make it lighter so I can manage to mock it up on the car.
     

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  15. Alpine 1789

    Alpine 1789 SAOCA President Platinum Level Sponsor

    Interesting. I have seen engine stand rotisseries before but never one using farm jacks. Please post details of the rotisserie when you can. I will be very interested in seeing what and how you do.
     
  16. DanR

    DanR Diamond Level Sponsor

    My concern would be what is the weight capacity and during rotation the ability to balance.

    The rotisserie plans i utilized and have passed on to a lot of members cost me less than $500 and will handle heavier vehicles than the Alpines.

    I have used mine with the complete Alpine, engine (SV and V6 Mutt) transmission(s) front assy (crossmember & wheels) Rear assy & wheels with rotates easily and has good balance with out fear of loosing or damaging the car.

    I have even pulled and pushed mine fully loaded on a dirt road for a short distance. It has been utilized to haul the Alpine on a trailer to several shop for various work.

    Works great!
     
  17. belmateo

    belmateo Bronze Level Sponsor

    I will post pics to show how to make it safe and functional. From what I have seen others do, they stress the importance of "tying" the two together.
     
  18. Bill Blue

    Bill Blue Diamond Level Sponsor

    I think it is essential the thing be tied together. I have one of the engine stands and being three wheeled, is very tippy. Also not very sturdy. I used it while assembling a Pinto 2.0 and it was okay. Loaned it to a guy to assemble a Ford 302 and it came back with a brace. He said it visibly sagged without the brace.

    Bill
     
  19. DanR

    DanR Diamond Level Sponsor

    Here is a PIC of one half of the rotisserie I use. It is tied/connected with square tubing between the two halfs that can be removed for storage.

    It is a sturdy unit of which I do not worry of tipping in either direction.

    DanR
     

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  20. belmateo

    belmateo Bronze Level Sponsor

    hey Bill,
    There is absolutely nothing wrong with three wheels as long as you triangulate it for sturdiness and stregth. As you know the Alpine car itself is not very heavy, espeically without the motor, trans etc. I believe that the base does not need to be any wider then the body itself. I also want to be able to "move it around" once it is on the rotisserie. We have rain due for at least the next five days, so I will spend it making room in the shop for the car on the Rotisserie and start building it. Will update as I go and take lots of pictures in case anyone else wants to do this.
    Thanks
     
    Last edited: Dec 19, 2015

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